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mic
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Biker Down Reply with quote

looks like a cool free course in emergancy first aid for bikers. im doing it next month.

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Biker Down the FREE Emergency First Aid course for Bikers provided by Fire and Rescue Services across the UK!

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Biker Down, the FREE First Aid Course for Bikers was originally started by Kent Fire and Rescue Service's Fire Bike Team.


fb page where you can find your local group (if they do it in your area)

https://www.facebook.com/bikerdownuk

and the website

https://www.kent.fire-uk.org/your_safety/road_safety/motorbike_safety.aspx
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Free is good. Thanks.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did it a couple of months ago. It's well worth going to - lots of advice that is specific to bike accidents rather than general first aid, how to manage the scene plus also when and how to remove a helmet safely.

I would recommend everyone go on one (not at all being selfish and hoping that should I end up lying on the road the next biker along has been on the course)
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant course to do.we got given a decent first aid kit at the end to.
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it result in a proper first aid qualification?
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a 3 hour course? I'd guess no.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonathan A wrote:
Does it result in a proper first aid qualification?
It wouldn't be anything officially certified, you might get a fancy certificate though for 'attending' Razz

Unless you specifically require it for work or something, a lot of the first aid courses are fairly pointless beyond the basic level, as even if you get the qualification for doing that bit extra on top of the basic training, most require refreshing after 3 years to remain valid. Better to try sign onto a day course for knowledge-sake [although in all fairness you can find most of it online and will learn little more at the workshop for the majority].

This one does look interesting though as its focused on bike-related injuries from the sounds of it, which probably a lot more useful and memorable to the average biker than doing a full first aid course.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no qualification (or certificate) at the end. What it does give is a biker-centric first aid view; what the most important things are to look at based on typical biker injuries. That's something that doesn't come on a generic first aid course. Of course, if you have both then that's even better!
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not done that particular course but recently finished another refresher in basic first aid. The instructor was an ex-paramedic and also a biker. We were ahead of schedule so he showed us the basics for helmet removal if the casualty isn't breathing.
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just done the 3 day first aid at work course again (didn't renew in time) so am feeling the first aid love at the moment. And of course should I be with some poor sod who has an off, I'd want to do whatever is best at the time, whether I have a certificate or not
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonathan A wrote:
Does it result in a proper first aid qualification?


No but you get a quite decent first aid kit. With some high vis stickers and vest Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a paramedic, im well up for these courses, they save lives. i have seen a young biker die because of a occluded (blocked) airway due to the positioning of his neck and tongue, the helmet pushed his head far forward as he lay on the floor. if a member of the public who all stood about helplessly watching (most people know never to touch a crash helmet) knew the correct method for removing a helmet, he would have been ok, apart from being KO'd from the crash (which is why he didnt remove his own helmet) the PostMortem showed no other injuries, except a few scratches and a bit of slight gravel rash. He died because he couldnt breathe. in this case helmet removal would have seen this 19yr old walk away with a sore backside and a scuffed bike. correct and immediate 1st aid saves lives, simple as.

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PostPosted: 09:10 - 12 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a BikerDown, was great, though they said they couldn't teach helmet removal but said use common sense, if they aren't breathing you can't make the situation worse, they'll die anyway without intervention.

As understand it, the idea is to prevent twisting and rotation of the neck and spine.

I've done a few first aid courses over the years, baby first aid when my boy was born, biker down, and when I was a youth in cadets, they should teach this in schools.

Hopefully, if I even need to use it, I'll be calm and remember some of it.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 12 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never remove a helmet - unless (s)he's not breathing was the shortened version of what I've always been taught on first aid courses.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 12 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading the facebook page it's not clear where else other than sout of England they are.

However, did follow a link to TwistandRide.Net training. This has a map you can click on for local schemes in the UK (although nothing in Scotland it would appear)
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick bump for this very worthwhile thread.

The BIKER DOWN course is getting a positive reception and is being rolled out to more and more fire services.

I attended the first ever one run by Suffolk Fire and Rescue yesterday and can confirm it was excellent.

1 hour on accident scene management
1 hour on first aid (incl how and when to remove a helmet safely)
1 hour on 'the science of being seen'

Plus free first aid kit, tread depth gauge, cups of tea and a handful of Jaffa cakes.

Can't recommend it enough. Suffolk have 2 more courses this summer in Ipswich and Lowestoft but a bit of google-fu may bring up other services in your area doing it.

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PostPosted: 09:01 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonathan A wrote:
Does it result in a proper first aid qualification?


Most companies I've worked at can't find enough people to do a FAAW qualification. Just ask your health and safety people and they'll often put you through the 3 day course.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrownTrousers wrote:

I attended the first ever one run by Suffolk Fire and Rescue yesterday and can confirm it was excellent.


That was well advertised then Mad

How many people were there?

Found their facebook page, there appears to be only one more this summer on the 5th September. Nothing in Ipswich.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great idea, Failbook page is fail. Essentially impossible to find out information unless it happens to be shoved in your face at the right moment. There might be a course near me, maybe, at some unspecified time, if I ask Joe who'll forward it to Bob's mate Kev. Brick Wall
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

BodyGuard wrote:
Not interested would ride around the wreckage.


I don't think anyone would expect anything less of you.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
BrownTrousers wrote:

I attended the first ever one run by Suffolk Fire and Rescue yesterday and can confirm it was excellent.


That was well advertised then Mad

How many people were there?

Found their facebook page, there appears to be only one more this summer on the 5th September. Nothing in Ipswich.


There were about 12 of us. A couple from local IAM, couple from local Harley club and the rest Joe public as far as I could tell.

TheY did mention that they (the presenters) struggle with social media but they have recently enlisted Help to spread the word better.

I think the one in Ipswich is combined with another course (bikesafe or sisimilar) but don't know any more.

They also said they are open to coming out to do the presentation at club meets etc.

The Suffolk F&R website has some info and a contact email. Woman on the end if the email was very helpful when I contacted them.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Great idea, Failbook page is fail. Essentially impossible to find out information unless it happens to be shoved in your face at the right moment. There might be a course near me, maybe, at some unspecified time, if I ask Joe who'll forward it to Bob's mate Kev. Brick Wall


I'm booked onto the one for June in Motherwell. Send a message to vfrfire@yahoo.co.uk, that's who emailed me saying I had the spot. Initially I messaged bikerdown@kent.fire-uk.org so you could try both.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 03 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found a poster for this in the window of a bike shop. Took a handful of e-mails to book a date that wasn't already booked out, so these seem pretty popular. Going with the girlfriend as well. The guy who runs these in south Yorkshire was at he ERS mentioned in another thread.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 04 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

BodyGuard wrote:
Not interested would ride around the wreckage.

Ironic really. I'd guess the likelihood is you'd be featuring in the middle of the wreakage rather than a passerby!
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