IPPR report says vehicle tax should be linked to income

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2626233/Charge-families-use-roads-using-pay-drive-technology-says-Labours-favourite-think-tank.html

(Daily Mail link but bear with me here)

Labour's IPPR think tank have suggested that all vehicles should have a GPS tracker installed, and that the amount you drive, the time of day you're driving at and your income should all be used to determine how much you pay for fuel at the pump.

And the reason they want these changes is because tax revenues are falling, due to cars getting more fuel-efficient and people driving less.

Unreal. Now watch Labour try and distance themselves from this like it's a fucking leper in the run up to the election.

Full report is here-> https://www.ippr.org/assets/media/publications/pdf/The-long-road-to-ruin_May2014.pdf
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[dydey90]

We already pay through the nose in fuel duty for that.

However, I worked out that I use roughly 1700 litres of fuel per year. This means they'd have to add on 15p/litre at least to cover the tax for my car and bike. Fuel would be over £1.50 within the year.
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[clancy]

So there going to pay for every car in the country to have a gps device fitted.... ok then......what happens if you remove it, you pay no tax?
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[DrSnoosnoo]

Terrific! So the more well off people will not only pay more tax from their wages they'll have to fund other people's driving habits too!
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[Rogerborg]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

That baby's got two faces!

Not that bothered about fantasy 5 Year Plans from the chaterrati: wake me up when zaNu are back in power.
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[Chalky.]

It makes much more sense to me to scrap VED and claim the revenue back from fuel. I don't have particularly economical cars, but I can't drive them all at the same time.

[DrSnoosnoo]

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[Pete.]

[Benjums]

Surely the cost of setting something like this up would be astronomical? And be more than the government would loose out, due to cars being more fuel efficient in 5 or more years. I mean how much to develop the tech then pay for it to go into every vehicle on the road and put it into petrol stations?
Good old labour lets spend £100 quid to save 20p

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[N cee thirty]

Bankers bonus's tax will pay for it to be implemented, they love rattling out that rhetoric.
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[Suntan Sid]

FFS, have you learned nothing?
If a GPS tracking device has to be fitted to your vehicle you will have to pay for it, not the gummerment!
No device = no type approval or no Mot or no insurance = no transport = game over!

Mind you, most of you can be tracked via your phones and dashcams anyway!
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[Wonko The Sane]

successive changes have reduced tax for more fuel efficient vehicles, this is a good thing as it's encouraged people to consider engine / vehicle size when buying a new car, smaller more efficient vehicles also cause a bit less pollution than a larger vehicle.

This obviously reduces the revenue to the government in VED (''road tax'' goes straight to the government, your local roads are funded through your council tax)

Some people get free VED, electric / hybrid cars for example

sooner or later, to stop the deficit in VED a flat rate needs to be introduced, for example, £20 a year for the ability to drive a motorised vehicle on the public road + an emissions fee - this would put my £30 a year 1.2 diesel ibiza at £50 a year, encouraging me to, when I come to replace it, choose a small economical car if I can.

or have I missed something here?

If labour push this one through I'm quitting work, claiming the dole and buying a V12 jag and to the system

doesn't help that they're discouraging smoking, how much revenue do they get from fags sold each year?
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[Ste]

[Wonko The Sane]

Just a thought,

My wife is a community nurse using her car to get to and from appointments in health centres and people's homes so drives during the day as part of her job

Under these plans will she be claiming the 'pay as you go' fee back along with the fuel (as current) or will she just have to foot the bill out of her wage?

If the plan is to introduce this, they're essentially proposing to tax us for going to work if they charge more for driving at busy periods...
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[N cee thirty]

[Ste]

Youth Jobs Guarantee – £1.04 billion
Reversing the VAT increase - £12.75 billion
More capital spending - £5.8 billion
Reversing the Child Benefit savings - £3.1 billion
Reversing Tax Credit savings - £5.8 billion
More Regional Growth Fund funding - £200 million
Cutting the deficit - ?
Turning empty shops into community centres - £5 million
Spending on public services - ?
More housing - £1.2 billion
Childcare - £800 million

…giving a total of at least £30.695 billion (not including the uncostable commitments to reduce the deficit and more spending on public services).

This is more than ten times the £2.3 billion that was raised by Labour’s bonus tax – that their own Chancellor, Alistair Darling, said could only be a ‘one-off’ – and more than ten times the £2.5 billion that the Government’s permanent bank levy raises every year.

It’s simply not credible for Labour to try and spend the same pot of money more than ten times over on eleven different things.

All Ed Miliband and Ed Balls offer is the same old Labour policy of more spending, more borrowing and more debt. And it’s hardworking people who would pay the price through higher mortgage rates and higher taxes.

From https://sharethefacts.conservatives.com/post/65682095925/how-many-times-can-labour-spend-the-same-pot-of-money

[Rogerborg]

I make a decent living. Mrs Borg makes cakes and babbys.

Her Zafira is registered to me. She usually fills it up.

How much pay?

Eh, it's fantasy. The thought of a government contractor successfully implementing a system to track and correctly stitch up north of 34.5 million vehicles is just risible.
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[N cee thirty]

All we need to find out now is, Which goon has a mate on the board of the company that makes these trackers, that will be ready to implement it and fill their boots
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