Mr. Honda, where's my new Pan European?

map · Mr Calendar Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Karma :

Original ST1100 launched in 1990, discontinued in 2002, so 12 years.
The replacement ST1300 launched 2002 and still going after 12 years.
So where's the replacement for the ST1300?

Can I ask as it's a Pan European it's designed like the original in and for Europe (and I guess USA with their weird emissions laws). That way stand a chance of seeing the dash readouts and reach the switchgear.

The competition have upped their game. Unless you come up with something sooner rather than later I just might get that Triumph tourer Very Happy

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pinkyfloyd · Super Spammer Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Karma :

I think if I was going to go down that road it would have to be:

https://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/rasherzzr/Alps%202010/01_02_Cemetary.jpg

That said. Seems there is a 2014 model

https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/offers/st1300/
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pinkyfloyd · Super Spammer Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Karma :

That is why I would go for the ZZR1400.

I think the time of bikes like the Pan and the smaller one the Dullsville are going to be consigned to history. Especially with the advent of more sport oriented touring bike. No more pan, instead we see a return of the VFR800 to go along side their massive VFR1200. Yami with the FJR, quack with the GTR and the better ZZR. These are the ones that will stay around while the pan will go.
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Marmalade · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Apr 2009 Karma :

Nothing I have ridden, and there have been a lot, has come close to suiting the daily long distance rides like an 1100 pan euro, if i came into a lot of money, a rebuilt 1100 would be where the money goes for my long distance bike.
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stevo as b4 · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Karma :

Please explain to a noob, why the ZX1400 makes for a better tourer with luggage than the GTR1400, which again to someone of no experience I would assume would be the better bike?

And talk to me about how the VFR1200 fits into the model line up. First is it great or is it shit? And secondly is it more like a new ST1300 or more like a new Blackbird in the way it performs and feels to ride?

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ppeaster · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Karma :

I tested Pan and VFR1200 recently and they are worlds apart. VFR is a tall bike, sporty riding position, small tank, fairly high pegs, and is pretty quick.

The Pan was Huge... Laid back riding position, armchair seat, low centre of gravity, felt like I could ride it all day. It was not particulaly quick and didnt't handle that well.

There is no way the VFR1200 is Honda's answer to the Trophy, r1200rt, or k1600gt. So i agree with OP, hope Honda unveil a new Pan soon!

........................ · Spanner Monkey Joined: 15 Jan 2014 Karma :

Honda need to introduce a shaft drive to their NC750 range of bikes. Let's face it, no-one would buy one of those for any other reason than commuting, so a shaft seems ideal.

spnorm · Crazy Courier Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Karma :

The ZZR1400 is far too hard on the wrists for many riders. I tried one in 2006 and bought a K1200S instead.

The R1200RT was hard to beat for two-up touring. It carries its payload really well, so can still destroy chicken strips fully loaded. Its only downside was it was tyre sensitive and a bit wheezy fully loaded. The new LC engine will cure that issue.

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Polarbear · Super Spammer Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Karma :

Whats this shaft drive issues for the Triumphs?

I have 2 and I have not had any notice from the dealers or Triumph about the shaft drive and Triumph have informed me about every other issue my bikes have had.

As for the OP, I have had Goldwings, Pans, the Trophy, and ridden a GTR. I love shaft drives. On bikes with 100+ bhp do you really think you are going to notice the difference of losing a few HP to the transmission.

Plus I can't be arsed with having to clean chain lube off the panniers before walking into a hotel with them. Cool

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stevo as b4 · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Karma :

Why do you rate the ZZR higher for a good touring bike with luggage than the GTR though? I think the GTR is a pretty cool bike both looks and feature wise, but have no idea how comfortable it is or how it feels after a long day in the saddle?

The ZZR I have always believed to be a bit of an irrelevance bike much like the GSX1300R, as it does not look that comfortable, and the running costs fuel/tyre's and maybe chain and brake pad wear rate, don't stack up very well for most people.

I do see a bloke commute to and from a building site from time to time on a ZZR14, and he often stops at Tesco express to pick up shopping. But with no luggage fitted as std, and pretty poor mpg, I can't think of many bikes less suitable as daily commuters?