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PostPosted: 21:34 - 25 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In what way was your bike or it's plate questionable? (or was there nothing and they're just trying to strong arm you?)

IME (including a "discussion" with my local waste of space today) the police don't like to take the time to do their job, and need quite a bit of pushing. I have had them attempt to intimidate me, but I don't stand for it (that said if there was anything I thought they might be able to pick up on, I may behave differently depending on what that was...).

It's no surprise to me that dealing with the police, as a victim, is bloody hard work. They always seem to have spare time to lie, or try to talk you out of getting a proper report filed though.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 25 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your numberplate played no part in the accident... I fail to see their point.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 25 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

so if someone indicates they can pull in front of you because he couldn't see your slightly small rear plate and a random witness can testify with certainty that you were exceeding the speed limit.

Sounds like anti biker bullshit to me.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 25 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the real issues with the bike are the plate and lack of reflector? (that's how I read it)

Your call, but neither had any bearing on the incident (something I would point out, and keep pointing out if they carry on)
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 25 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
so if someone indicates they can pull in front of you because he couldn't see your slightly small rear plate and a random witness can testify with certainty that you were exceeding the speed limit.

Sounds like anti biker bullshit to me.



I'm sure I've seen TC on here saying that, aside from proof from calibrated tools (i.e. speed cameras, police vehicle onboard cameras etc) only an experienced Traffic Cops testimony as an expert witness is admissible evidence as to the speed of a vehicle.

Any other witness reports (as to the speed of a vehicle) are inadmissible as evidence.


May have got that wrong, but that is what I seem to remember reading, or something along those lines.




However this isn't about court, this is about the police and their intention to prosecute or not.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 25 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck them, chase it up mate.

Once my claims sorted, I'm going after the driver for my accident. He pulled out but wasn't prosecuted but I was for doing a wheelie around a mile away from the crash site.

Your plate had no bearing on the crash. What are they going to say? That the driver didn't see a plate so he assumed no one was there?

I've found that with police, they try scaremongering people out of chasing things up. Even if you are the victim.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 25 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

krarkol wrote:
I've found that with police, they try scaremongering people out of chasing things up. Even if you are the victim.


Indeed this.

I wish I could have taken that call Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 25 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be down to the fact that whilst they can intend to prosecute (which they should), if the other driver contests it then it may end up getting overruled and then it'll end up being another one in the failed prosecution/unsolved crime pile. That doesn't do well for crime stats.

I might be wrong, but I reckon that certainly will play some part.

Its why when my car was hit as I was driving home one very snowy xmas eve, and the other car drove off, the police advised me very very much not to follow it up because it's in "my interests" not to... (tbf the damage cost less to fix myself than my insurance excess, and if I reported it to the police i would have legally had to declare it to my insurance, whether I claimed off them or not) but I have a very strong suspicion they had no way of solving the crime so didn't want to take it on.
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Essentially, like I said, the number plate did not cause the accident, nor did it have any bearing on the crash. It is completely hidden from view. Also, I know its a little smaller but there are various regs for enduro bikes to have such plates.

Your bike, although yes, perhaps the lights aren't 100% legitimate etc, the fact you had them and they were working nulls that point. They had no bearing, you were illuminated, he could see you.

Contesting it, pushing the police to actually pull their finger out won't do you a world of harm. The ABSOLUTE worst is a rectification notice, which you then switch to zero lights, MOT advisory then prove to them its legal... then re-add the lights.

Stating you were obviously in shock so all you wanted to do was get medical attention/pain relief and sleep etc you just essentially fobbed them off so you could get some rest, that is what I would call back and say.

Say unfortunately, you want some form of prosecution to go ahead, it is your right to do so. Would emphasise, if this was a 16 year old (think Harry for example) who was newer to the roads and didn't react as fast, he would most certainly be in far worse pain, how would they like to deal with a death when this out of control loony does it again... I would happily back you up with anything relating to this, you know my stance on Kent Police, they can go suck a fat juicy wang for all I care, they never prosecuted the driver that put me in a coma and a wheelchair, time has come for me to give them a fair chunk of paperwork to do. Useless overpaid jizz stains.

To put in perspective, my bike and a flat mates bike were damaged by a drunk guy. With both photographic evidence, DNA with blood covering the floor around them after the guy fell off a 2 storey roof AND the hospital providing his details to them, they did NOTHING. They did NOTHING when my friends bike was stolen and I found it being ridden by yoof on a field, but 1 guy with a new Daytona 600 vs 5 people on a GP100... nah, no chance. They never turned up and it was burnt out.
Again, they did NOTHING for my accident, the guy was drunk, no insurance, disqualified and high off his tits on drugs in his girlfriends car. He got 30 days in prison slashed to 18 for good behaviour, nothing for the hit and run, nothing for literally putting me in a coma. Superb Police force I tell you, Hetzer would have burned their HQ down by now.

Sorry for the rant Iain, but any help/advice/backup, you know where I am. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please chase them up, it's plain wrong that people don't get punished for crashing yet people get punished for speeding as it could in some cases cause a crash.


What kind of downs logic is that????
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I just get some clarification.
My understanding is the police don't prosecute anyone. That's down to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
The cps only prosecute if there is a good likelyhood of a conviction.

So is it the police saying they will not put the case/evidence to the cps?
Or is it the cps looking after their batting average and refusing to prosecute?

Don't get me wrong, I think lousy decision not to take it further.
Just want to make sure anger is directed to the right place/people.

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PostPosted: 11:58 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the plus side, crime rates are down ... Oh wait a minute Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it the CPS who decide if there is enough evidence to go to court and not the police.
Police prepare the case with all the statements and then the CPS decide if there is a good chance of a result.

Never heard of you being asked if you want to prosecute for traffic incidents.....
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a load of billy bollocks!
If hes the sort to drink drive call the police saying you're concerned about his driving and hes just pulled of the pub.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
...Apparently I signed something saying it was okay not to prosecute? I dont remember this. Mighta been after my op, I dont remember much after they gave me all the meds....

My stroppy argumentative self would be all over that. Letter to chief constable, professional standards department and local MP. Getting you to sign something while you are not compos mentis would imho be an attempt to pervert the course of justice.

Ask what their procedures state. Cause a few waves.

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PostPosted: 15:29 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
My understanding is the police don't prosecute anyone. That's down to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).

In EnglandandWalesland anyone can initiate a private prosecution.

This is clearly an anti-biker stitch-up. Complaint to the local station, then hit Professional Standards and upwards.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst indicating is obviously an important skill for any driver, what exactly is it's relevance to your accident?
If I've understood you correctly, he cut across your path right? It wouldn't have made any difference if he'd indicated, had colonel bogey blaring from air horns and fairground lights flashing wildly he still cut you up.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must have missed the thread where you crashed Iain.

Did the bloke who hit you at least admit fault from an insurance perspective?
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
Whilst indicating is obviously an important skill for any driver, what exactly is it's relevance to your accident?
If I've understood you correctly, he cut across your path right? It wouldn't have made any difference if he'd indicated, had colonel bogey blaring from air horns and fairground lights flashing wildly he still cut you up.


If he'd indicated, the OP might have at least know he intended to cut across his path.....
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
mentalboy wrote:
Whilst indicating is obviously an important skill for any driver, what exactly is it's relevance to your accident?
If I've understood you correctly, he cut across your path right? It wouldn't have made any difference if he'd indicated, had colonel bogey blaring from air horns and fairground lights flashing wildly he still cut you up.


If he'd indicated, the OP might have at least know he intended to cut across his path.....


Thank you!!! Rolling Eyes Wink

The fact of the matter is that Iain was still cut up by a turning vehicle, whose responsibility it was to make sure there was no oncoming traffic.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:


Thank you!!! Rolling Eyes Wink

The fact of the matter is that Iain was still cut up by a turning vehicle, whose responsibility it was to make sure there was no oncoming traffic.


In terms of legality it'd made no difference (Apart from further adding to a case for driving without due care.) however IMO it's usually better to ensure you don't crash in the first place rather than worrying about the legal rights and wrongs. Wink

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