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^^ what he said.
it is amazing what you discover when you write everything down. if you have any debts, see if there are any ways to cut them down a bit (consolidation to one loan etc). i just did this with some fair size credit card bils -i put them all in one fixed term loan. it is high payments for now, but it wil be gone fairly quickly, and then it will have cost me a lot less in interest.
when you have listed all of your incomings and outgoings, see what can be cut down/removed. create yourself a plan, and then stick to it. things like setting yourself a limit on 'luxuries' (going out, beer, computer games etc. also thing about setting a limit on your spending over and above the essentials - i have a set amount of money i can spend each week on 'stuff'. if i dont spend that much, i have more for the next week, if i over spend, i have less for the next week.
all of this doesnt take much thinking about once you have got it set up.
and it doesnt get better - you get married and have kids, then it gets worse
if you have a trustworthy mate who you dont mind sharing your finacial info with, perhaps get them to cast an objective eye over it all for you?
good luck mate.
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Two words, unnecessary expenses.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink, stop. If you've got hyper fast internet, get something slower. If you've got expensive tv/phone provider, look somewhere else. And so on. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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How much are you on a year?
Do you have kids?
Do you have your own place?
Do you rent or have a mortgage?
How much do you spend on food per month?
What is your hobby and how much do you spend per month on it?
Put all of these on a spreadsheet and minus all utilities,tv license, council tax and work out what is needed and what is not. ____________________ Malaguti F12 Phantom-Dead, Suzuki AY50- Dead, NRG power DD LQ, CBR125.
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| speedy wrote: | How is it I see people driving around in nice financed cars with expencive clothes etc etc.. What am I doing wrong |
My wife and I thought this for a while. We cleared off all our debts, no overdrafts, credit cards, loans etc... Not a penny owed to anyone. Car and bike both owned outright and still nothing left over at the end of each month.
It was only when I started listening to those who were going abroad twice a year and upgrading their car every three years that I realised what's going on. They were all over 40. They bought their houses for less than 30k when their wages were around 15k a year. They are now either mortgage free, selling their homes or releasing equity on them now that their houses are worth 120+k, despite their wages having only gone up to 17-19k. On top of that, those 60 and over were around during the golden age of final salary pensions and free university education, so they've got plenty of money going spare. I'm certain they wouldn't be so well off if they were starting from scratch on their current wages.
Obviously this is an over simplification of the issues. It's actually more of an observation. I'm not all bitter about it mind. We're better off than a lot of people. We did for a while think we were doing something wrong, as everyone around us seemed to be doing so much better than us, yet on paper we should've been better off. The facade has now lifted and whilst we're going on holiday this year for 2 weeks, our car is brand new and we can afford to eat out every now and then, having paid off every penny we owe, most others we know are skint, worse than ever. Their overdrafts are out of control, they're borrowing money from anyone who will lend it to them and they've all sold pretty much anything anyone will buy. It amazes me how many of them have top level sky packages and huge 50" TVs. We have neither. ____________________ 1977 Honda CG125
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You can't always get what you want.
But if you try some time
You might find
You get what you need. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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This is a good one to start with:
https://www.stoozing.com/calculator/soa.php
It needs to be ACCURATE though, do NOT guess!! You'd be amazed at how much you actually spend on coffees at work or the odd magazine or whatever your vice is. ____________________ Trev, now a biker?
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| speedy wrote: | What am I doing wrong |
"It's the economy, Stupid", James Carville 1992.
You're not doing it wrong.
As Poseidon says, the people you see with new stuff, (they, actually, don't need), don't own any of it, it's owned by finance companies.
In the long run, most of these people will be in debt for a very long time, and will be working to pay of the debts until the day they die!
There are now two generations, (and another one on the way), who have been suckered into the "I can have it NOW!" fantasy.
These are the people who ensure bankers continue to get their bonuses.
Taking control of your money, when you're younger pays dividends in middle age. ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!"  |
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Some good advice in a few of the posts above.
Count the pennies, *everytime* you spend money ask, "do I REALLY need this", if you are spending get the cheapest / best deal EVERYTIME. THe following may help you eek out a bit more cash:
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/make-money
That site has alot of other good ideas / savings / deals etc. I appreciate that some people seem to have money but you'd be surprised if you knew the debt they are in, much of the time they are just keeping up a facade. The really rich ones don't always flaunt it. Keep at it, eventually it'll get easier.  ____________________ Current bike: KTM SD1290GT
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It all comes down to the small things. My contribution to the mortgage and bills is 40% of my monthly wage. The other 60% gets pissed up the wall in some way. If I'm not careful I'll spend £40/month on buying lunch at work, another £40 on booze, 40 on takeaways, 40 on (1) meal out a month. it all adds up.
Depending on what area you live in, I'd assume that your rent is very high compared to your income. Or you are squibbling it away on biscuits. Whatever, the spread sheets won't lie if you do it right  ____________________ Current: 2009 SV650 S, 1990 Kawasaki GT550
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You don't go into any detail about your finances, such as whether you own/rent a property or live at home. But here are a few tips that I use on my own finances.
There are ways in which you can simplify your finances a bit. One of my favourite tricks is to make sure that all my direct debits go out on the same day. Once all those have gone out, I have a better idea of how much money I have left for the rest of the month, which helps me budget. Also have a look to see what each direct debit is for. You'll easily identify anything you don't need and can cancel it. Many people are paying direct debits for insurances on mobile phones or appliances that they no longer own, or antivirus products for computers they haven't got, for example.
If you've got utilities such as electricity/gas/water and you pay these by direct debit, stick in some updated meter readings and see whether you're in credit. If you're in credit, ring the providers, claim the credit back and reduce your direct debit. Utility companies are very happy to keep your credit in their own bank accounts and keep overcharging. To my knowledge, only one of them pays any interest on credit balances.
While you're at it, review any utilities to make sure you're on the cheapest deal. Moneysupermarket / Uswitch / Energyhelpline are all good at helping you find the best deal. Don't pay too much.
If you've got a mobile phone contract, Sky TV, broadband, anything like that, consider cancelling anything that isn't essential. Or at the very least, ring the companies and tell them you want to cancel. You'll be amazed at their "please don't go" deals.
Do you use credit cards/overdrafts or other borrowings? If so, you're probably being charged interest. Consider a credit card balance transfer if you have a balance on a card. If you have an overdraft, don't go outside the agreed limit or you'll get "informal overdraft" fees, which can cost you fortunes. First Direct offer a £500 overdraft as standard with their bank account, of which the first £250 is free. (And they give you £100 for switching).
If you buy anything online, buy it through Quidco. They pay genuine cashback. I've had over £1000 out of them now, a recent highlight being £85 cashback on a £75 insurance policy. The extra bit of money coming in now and then is a great help.
I buy some of my clothes off eBay. Some people wouldn't do it, but it doesn't bother me. I've bought £50 jeans for a fiver, from someone who tried them on for a minute and realised they didn't fit.
As others have said, review every penny you spend each month, and what you spend it on. If you're spending a fiver each day buying sandwiches for lunch, make them at home instead. It's very easy to take £20 or £30 out of a cash machine and watch it disappear on stuff.
Hope some of that helps, as I say a lot of it is based on assumptions about your finances, but feel free to post some more info about your expenses if you want more details. |
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So after rent you have a grand to cover a single man's costs. That's not difficult except a quarter of that is gone on your loan plus you have CC interest and the usual utilities. My council tax, water rates, gas and electric come to just under £400 but that's for a large family house, so I'm guessing £250 loan and £250 bills for you. You mention smokes - 1 pack a day is over £200 a month. There's £700 of your grand gone right there.
It does get easier as you get older - unless you start a family that is. Pay is usually linked to ability, longevity and seniority and you should gain on all of them with years. I can well remember getting through the week on a sack of spuds and a tray of eggs when I was younger. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Straight away I can tell you are wasting 10 per month on gym. Go for a run, go to a park, do body lifts. 120 quid a year saved there. I did that after I looked at my statements a few years back paying 15pm. You don't need weights for aggression, try HIIT.
You're basically on a graduate wage. If i was earning that much I would definitely not be struggling for money. Not that I do now but I am a stingy bastard when it comes to spending. 19k a year is a reasonable wage. I save for months if i want to buy something even though i can just go and buy it because I have money in the account.
I don't drink, don't smoke and rarely eat outside as I am very fussy about what I eat. Do not even buy drinks as I prefer water or carry a water bottle with me. That saves money. Ride a bicycle mostly, saves on tax, insurance and petrol. I developed these habits at uni as I didn't have a lot of money so I had to be stringent with the cash.
There are plenty good suggestions in this thread. Apply some of them to your financial shortfalls and I am sure you will find extra cash that you are burning for no reason whatsoever. Good Luck  ____________________ yzf 600r  |
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It sounds like you've been living a typical credit lifestyle. Once you've got the loan and overdraft paid off you'll be fine unless you start borrowing again.
You justify the gym as if it's something you're entitled to and a necessity rather than a luxury. I'm not saying don't spend money on it, just appreciate it for what it is. Taking things like that for granted quickly adds up to a big spend per month on "necessities".
You're on a good wage IMO and doing well mate. The finances will get a lot better very quickly with a little work . |
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1. Stay completely out of debt, except for a small affordable mortgage/rent.
2. Get a wife or housemate with a job and similar financial ethics, making life under a roof more economical and efficient.
3. Don't buy clothes ever. Rely purely on birthday and Xmas. ____________________ Chase my Witch up, Catch my Snitch up.
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