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PostPosted: 10:07 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: So Blackpool Police are being arseholes... Reply with quote

And they are getting a slating.

https://www.facebook.com/BlackpoolPolice/posts/769305239766454?fref=nf

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We're appealing to motorcyclists across Lancaster, Morecambe, Blackpool and the Fylde coast to ride considerately as the Summer months approach.

We'll be out and about speaking with riders over the next few months to remind them to ride responsibly, particularly in residential areas.

We'll also be carrying out checks with VOSA on motorcycles and those found to be using illegal exhausts will be prosecuted.

Checks will also be made with insurance companies on anybody using a motorcycle with an illegal exhaust. If it hasn’t been declared the rider will potentially be prosecuted for using the vehicle without insurance and making a false statement to obtain insurance.

We’re not out to spoil anybody’s fun, we know that motorcyclists enjoy riding, particularly at this time of year, we just want riders to think about others who live on the popular motorcycle routes and ride considerately.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: So Blackpool Police are being arseholes... Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
We'll also be carrying out checks with VOSA on motorcycles and those found to be using illegal exhausts will be prosecuted.

Checks will also be made with insurance companies on anybody using a motorcycle with an illegal exhaust. If it hasn’t been declared the rider will potentially be prosecuted for using the vehicle without insurance and making a false statement to obtain insurance.
So you declare to your insurance you have an illegal exhaust! Laughing

Presumably they mean to say that insurance companies have been informed of any non-standard exhaust. It would be interesting to see if they could (pers)ecute for no insurance on this basis.
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petty-minded scum. Go catch some burglars, you wastes of fucking oxygen.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So all motorbikes will be stopped to run checks on everything without reasonable suspicion of anything? I reserve my right for this test to be carried out at a time convenient for me.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

snoosnoo wrote:
So all motorbikes will be stopped to run checks on everything without reasonable suspicion of anything? I reserve my right for this test to be carried out at a time convenient for me.


Also to be as awkward as possible to waste police time and take the project far over budget... so they can't afford to do it again.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If it hasn’t been declared the rider will potentially be prosecuted for using the vehicle without insurance


Bullshit statement is bullshit.

Case law will confirm that even having a totally illegal bike and no licence does not invalidate an extant insurance policy from the perspective of the third party/road traffic act.

If there is a valid insurance certificate, the vehicle is insured for the purposes of the road traffic act. End of.

In fact this applies even if the vehicle has been stolen and is being driven by a thief. If that theif crashes it, a third party can still claim off the insurance. The police know this full well because if they ram a stolen vehicle off the road, they claim for the damage to their police car from the owners insurance.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's the same thing with every police force across the country every year at the start of summer. It's so predictable and people raging on their bookface page are just increasing their publicity which is exactly what they want. Pisses off bikers but makes everyone else see that they're doing something about those pesky motorcycles.

It's all so predictable. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today is "talk on your mobile while driving" day. As they are occupied by looking and listening to your exhaust instead Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there some sort of law that can be used in your defensive if they try to illegally seize your bike at the side of the road?

"Sorry sir, far too loud, undeclared, blah blah, look at my tiny willy, blah blah..."

"It has Kawasaki stamped on it."

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PostPosted: 10:48 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just idiots being idiots and dickheads being dickheads.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
Is there some sort of law that can be used in your defensive if they try to illegally seize your bike at the side of the road?

"Sorry sir, far too loud, undeclared, blah blah, look at my tiny willy, blah blah..."

"It has Kawasaki stamped on it."

"Rules is rules I'm afraid."


I'm pretty sure the police can only seize your vehicle (other than with regard to criminal proceedings) if it is unsafe to ride, it has no tax or it is uninsured.

As snoosnoo has already hinted at (and as has been discussed at length previously), you can even request an inspection is deferred to a time and place convenient to yourself. Make the request as soon as they start poking about. Then, unless you are in a commercial vehicle, you have been involved in an accident or there is something obviously dangerously wrong with your vehicle (bald tyre, bits hanging off etc), they have no legal basis for continuing with the inspection.

Chapter and verse is: Schedule 2 of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a fuck-off loud exhaust on my Ducati. It's not designed to provide any performance increase, it's just an aftermarket pair of cans. No rejetting no air filter mods etc. That's none of my insurance company's business.

Also it's just passed an MOT with the cans - the tester specifically said it wasn't a problem.

So...
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it stamped not for road use or race use only
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if it was my insurance policy booklet thingy or somewhere online where I read it.

Pretty much said that aslong as there wasn't a performance increase of a certain percentage (<10%?), you didn't need to declare it. Only issue you'll have is if you have a tumble, you can't claim for it so they'd just stick a standard can on it.

My exhaust was "race use only" due to it putting out around 114db (tested at Oulton). Only thing the can had was a random serial number. Coppers pulled me one night, checked it over, asked if I did the serial myself, told me to watch out for some idiotic taxi drivers flying around then sent me on my way.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Due to an evening in fromt of a film with some metal polish. My end can has "FOR ROAD USE" stamped on it
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Due to an evening in fromt of a film with some metal polish. My end can has "FOR ROAD USE" stamped on it
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So they are trying to brainwash everyone into thinking that ANY can EVER that is not declared to your Insurer is illegal. Even I know that's not true!
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pre 1981 bike different exhaust rules btw.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:
is it stamped not for road use or race use only


Nope.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

funnily enough i was looking at my can last night (carbon scorpion) an didnt see any markings saying it was legal or for off road only

no marks means legit?
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Micron on the '99 fireblade, which looks like it's been on a few years isn't marked either way.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
no marks means legit?


as far as I am it does.

It would still count as a modification for the purpose of insurance though
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should have a listen to what the "legal" exhaust on Brother Borg's XKR-S sounds like.

Right, crib sheet.

It is an offence to:

Fail to stop for a constable in uniform (or a traffic womble).
Fail to give your name, address and date of birth.
That's it.

It's for them to form a reasonable belief that you're not insured. You aren't required to help them in any way.

Deferment of the test is covered under RTA 1988 S67 (6).

If they say that your exhaust is too loud, be aware that doesn't mean with them revving the tits off of it in neutral. There's a carefully defined ride-by test that has to be carried out under load at specific speeds under controlled conditions. I'd be surprised if DVSA (who's "VOSA"?) has facilities to do it in that area, let alone Plodforce. It's so involved that even I can't be doing with quoting it. Wink

So I'd go with say nothing, refuse any FPN, and if it gets passed to the CPS, and if they touch it and if they file it with a court in a timely fashion, then you can invite them to produce their actual evidence of having carried out any sort of objective test. Constable McKilljoy may have had his steely speed estimating eye calibrated against approved devices, but his ears? I'd doubt it.

As to the insurance angle, well, they might get some traction on that before a Magistrate, or even a High Court judge. I'd expect it to have to go to the grown ups in the Court of Appeals before finding someone who will actually read the law.

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PostPosted: 12:22 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put one of these over the 'race use only' stamps, won't make it any more legal but might help when confronted by police that aren't _really_ sure of the rules.

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121359436037

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151323014415

Weld:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390812029160
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
Put one of these over the 'race use only' stamps, won't make it any more legal but might help when confronted by police that aren't _really_ sure of the rules.

Sticker:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121359436037

Rivet:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151323014415

Weld:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390812029160


I was under the impression that stuff like that could lead to perverting the course of justice

which would be worse than getting nicked for a dodgy exhaust in the first place
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 12 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Stuff


But the moment you mention that stuff and make them look bad isn't it I smell alcohol on breath, club to head, then tazer for resisting arrest, and assaulting a police officer's fists with your face.

Then a whitewash IPPC investigation showing that the police were totally right?
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