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PostPosted: 09:31 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Job Centre / JSA Reply with quote

We just had an applicant for a digital marketing assistant role cancel on their interview for this week, as they have a job centre appointment they must go to instead Rolling Eyes

I mean.. really? Laughing

As I understand, they have to go to these appointments to show they are still job-hunting etc.. but to actually cancel an interview to go to an appointment where you must show you're going for interviews.. wtf?!

I have limited understanding of this as I've not been on JSA, but from what I've heard from my cousin and now this it sounds more hassle than it's worth.

What is their game? They cut you off if you don't turn up to an appointment because you're out there interviewing?
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Job Centre / JSA Reply with quote

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They cut you off if you don't turn up to an appointment because you're out there interviewing?

That.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh the irony.


Well that sucks balls Confused
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Job Centre / JSA Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
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They cut you off if you don't turn up to an appointment because you're out there interviewing?
That.

Yes, agree.
Just because it says Job Seekers doesn't mean they actually help or make it easy to get you a job.

They have rules that cannot be broken, or flexed. Plus I believe there's the story that the more benefits they can stop the extra bonus they get.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Job Centre / JSA Reply with quote

Doovy wrote:

What is their game? They cut you off if you don't turn up to an appointment because you're out there interviewing?


Yes, exactly that. It's been the case for years, even when you just had to "sign on". They did it to me just after I'd left college. I phoned to tell them I wouldn't be able to come in to sign on on the Thursday because I was attending an interview some distance away. I stupidly expected them to perhaps offer to help with the travel expenses but was instead told if I didn't sign on, even to attend an interview, I would receive no JSA for the next 2 weeks.

So yeah, don't be too hard on them, they have the vague possability of a job in the future if they are successful against the certainty of no income for the next fortnight if they go to the interview.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Job Centre / JSA Reply with quote

map wrote:
Plus I believe there's the story that the more benefits they can stop the extra bonus they get.

Pretty sure that's ATOS rather than the Job Centre staff.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Job Centre / JSA Reply with quote

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So yeah, don't be too hard on them, they have the vague possability of a job in the future if they are successful against the certainty of no income for the next fortnight if they go to the interview.


Right, yes, I get that. An unfortunate situation to be in!

I think they are re-scheduling for another day this week as it goes, so all not lost Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes they 'sanction' your benefits. My son attended a job interview. Had his money sanctioned for not attending job centre at the same time.

Have no idea if there's an appeals process (son doesn't live with me, I found out about this months later).
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like every benefit control department. Remember the thing a few years ago where they 'assessed' everybody on disability? It had a bloke at work frothing at the mouth because he took his disabled wife to one such interview and got told she was certainly in a fit state to work.

Why? Because he went to the trouble of manhandling her wheelchair up the stairs to the reception, even though there was no ramp.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Job Centre / JSA Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Yes, exactly that. It's been the case for years, even when you just had to "sign on". They did it to me just after I'd left college. I phoned to tell them I wouldn't be able to come in to sign on on the Thursday because I was attending an interview some distance away. I stupidly expected them to perhaps offer to help with the travel expenses but was instead told if I didn't sign on, even to attend an interview, I would receive no JSA for the next 2 weeks.

So yeah, don't be too hard on them, they have the vague possability of a job in the future if they are successful against the certainty of no income for the next fortnight if they go to the interview.


How very odd... I rescheduled with them a couple of times and only had to sign on twice - 13 weeks between appointments! Rescheduled by email no less. And got travel expenses twice.

All seemed rather civilised to me. I'm always surprised by these adverse stories. Not that I disbelieve them, I just can't understand why I got such a reasonable and helpful service when others don't...
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Job Centre / JSA Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Yes, exactly that. It's been the case for years, even when you just had to "sign on". They did it to me just after I'd left college. I phoned to tell them I wouldn't be able to come in to sign on on the Thursday because I was attending an interview some distance away. I stupidly expected them to perhaps offer to help with the travel expenses but was instead told if I didn't sign on, even to attend an interview, I would receive no JSA for the next 2 weeks.

So yeah, don't be too hard on them, they have the vague possability of a job in the future if they are successful against the certainty of no income for the next fortnight if they go to the interview.


How very odd... I rescheduled with them a couple of times and only had to sign on twice - 13 weeks between appointments! Rescheduled by email no less. And got travel expenses twice.

All seemed rather civilised to me. I'm always surprised by these adverse stories. Not that I disbelieve them, I just can't understand why I got such a reasonable and helpful service when others don't...


from experience it depends entirely on the monkey behind the computer.

I was advised to go on basic math + english courses ( about 7 years back now) to get my FLT licenses paid for, because they were only funding them to ex-cons or people at a disadvantage ( no math + English skills).....

On my last stint of unemployment, being 10mins late lost you a fortnights money ( i never was but that was the rules) and I had to endure a 10 week course on not being a complete muppet ( basic sums, figure out bus-times, interview techniques ( for morons nothing in-depth) teamwork, budgeting your shopping etc etc to get a CSCS card. ]
Only after this 10 week course of wank, could you go onto to do CSCS 3 days and then an exam of some description.

At 9 weeks through the useless course we were informed no one was progressing to do the CSCS because they had lost the funding.

But we had to finish the 10 week course or no money.

I had some very choice words with all involved then signed off self-employed a few days after.....

Worst position any one can be in IMO
They now call your benefit a salary so they can hold a contact to you and have you 30 hours of job search activities a week.
From all accounts they monitor this with random phone calls, if you are unreachable that day - no pay as it "could" have been a job offer Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Job Centre / JSA Reply with quote

gavcarter wrote:
Worst position any one can be in IMO


That's a bit of an exaggeration... I can think of worse than having to follow stupid rules in order to get money. In fact, many people call that a job... Maybe that's why they class it as a salary nowadays Wink

It really does seem to be who you speak to and what side of the bed they got up on. I guess I got 'lucky' because I turned up in office wear, told them my plan to get a new job and asked how they could help (whilst not being cocky).
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Job Centre / JSA Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
gavcarter wrote:
Worst position any one can be in IMO


That's a bit of an exaggeration... I can think of worse than having to follow stupid rules in order to get money. In fact, many people call that a job... Maybe that's why they class it as a salary nowadays Wink

It really does seem to be who you speak to and what side of the bed they got up on. I guess I got 'lucky' because I turned up in office wear, told them my plan to get a new job and asked how they could help (whilst not being cocky).


Probably, I just meant in terms of the JOB centre who DONT help you get a job.

Person "Hi I have an interview on wednesday but need to sign on"
Some Idiot from JCP "Tuff, No Sign - No Money, better hope you get that job"

How is that helping?
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do they refer to any benefits as a salary?
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I got told when I was last unemployed it probably is making appearances round about now, starting with fresh sign-ons and those who have been on the dole for years.

I was told ( by a few different job centre staff ) that it will be coming along with the changes of universal credits.

Those on benefits cant claim x,y,z benefit anymore so will be awarded a universal credit instead which is just about to equal to x,y,z benefit and paid monthly.

It is apparently to lighten the "claim load" as you have to claim for everything separately eg, JSA, Housing benefit, Council tax benefit etc etc, it will all be rolled into one and called universal credits...

https://www.gov.uk/universal-credit/overview

Clicky above ^^

Now note the "Claimant Commitment"

https://www.gov.uk/universal-credit/claimant-commitment

I expect this is where they are to put any referrals to "a salary" or "contract"

Basically instead of helping people get a job, by creating jobs, or doing something constructive - they've tarred everyone with the "you have signed on so that means you don't WANT a job" so instead of helping were going to make it ridiculously hard to stay on benefits for any sort of period.

Which is good when you look at all the smackheads, wannabe's and lazy twats who claim it INSTEAD of looking for work, but not so great for the people who want a job but there area is still doing really crap in terms of economy and growth and there just is none....

and I BET once its all in and done the government BRAG like mad about reduced claims on the benefit system ( which as all the druggies and people who dont want to work slowly get every lifeline cut-off) that will result in (or at least i summise) a huge rise in homelessness and crime and general shitty state of the country
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't surprise me that they cancelled their interview to attend a job centre appointment.

I phoned the morning of my signing on day to let them know i had an interview that clashed with my signing on, told me it was fine and could i attend the day after? Of course i did, taking with me evidence from the agency, the employer and providing all the contact details they could ask.

After all that i was still sanction for 13 weeks for failing to attend signing on, i appealed and was told i hadn't followed my job seekers direction, appealed again and told i had run out of NI credits. It seems the do what they want and make up a random excuse each time. I will no longer step foot in that place, i'd go without money if i had to.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 17 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Job Centre / JSA Reply with quote

Doovy wrote:
We just had an applicant for a digital marketing assistant role cancel on their interview for this week, as they have a job centre appointment they must go to instead Rolling Eyes

I mean.. really? Laughing

As I understand, they have to go to these appointments to show they are still job-hunting etc.. but to actually cancel an interview to go to an appointment where you must show you're going for interviews.. wtf?!

I have limited understanding of this as I've not been on JSA, but from what I've heard from my cousin and now this it sounds more hassle than it's worth.

What is their game? They cut you off if you don't turn up to an appointment because you're out there interviewing?


They cut you off. I had an interview and they insisted I went to them first or they stop my claim. This made me late for my interview and I managed to persuade them to actually ring up the place interviewing me to tell them I'll be there shortly and that they've held me back, just so it didn't look like I was making up excuses.

I didn't get the job. Can't exactly say whether that was the cause though.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 17 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The job center made me take a zero-hours contract, and wouldn't let me change my weekly JC appointments around this job. I had to turn down work just so I could attend the JC for an advisor to conclude at the end of a pointless 30-second meeting "I'm glad you've found some work and that it's going okay. See you next week!". Confused
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 17 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its something to do with the government, you can be sure its a fucked-up system.

The Job Centre is one of many examples.

I can think of many idiocy instances, one of my favourites being a fleet of 30 vehicles hired for 4 years at a cost of 110 times the purchase price, because they don't have the cash available to buy the vehicles outright. It cost them so much in 4 years to hire 30 vehicles that they could have bought over 3000 of them.



I do not know why they wouldn't let you change your appointment if you can demonstrate you have an interview, but they don't. Broken system is broken.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 17 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:


I can think of many idiocy instances, one of my favourites being a fleet of 30 vehicles hired for 4 years at a cost of 110 times the purchase price, because they don't have the cash available to buy the vehicles outright. It cost them so much in 4 years to hire 30 vehicles that they could have bought over 3000 of them.


Thats more to do with corruption than not having the cash up front.

A similar thing happened with airborne tankers, rather than buy them they decided to lease them. The leasing cost was a lot more per YEAR than the cash price. The officer in charge of procurement at MOD curiously left that year and got a job with Boeing.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 17 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having been on and off the dole for a couple of years between landing my current role in the motor trade, which is a pretty damn good one, I could write a litany of stories about how incompetent and unhelpful the system is as a whole. Even the good advisors are hamstrung by stupid rules and the bad ones will just hand out sanctions like confetti. I lose count of the amount of pointless training courses I got sent on which actually interfered with my finding new work - I probably could have been back to full time well paid stuff sooner if I hadn't had to do any of that nonsense. Can't say I learnt much I didn't already know from them, except don't stay on the dole longer than you have to.

When I did get back to work, instead of paying my next few weeks housing and JSA they cut it right off on the day I started, when it had only just started again after a sanction given for not looking for work all of 2 days before doing a work trial that wasted my time and went nowhere because I didn't have enough proof apparently. This in spite of dozens of detailed sheets where I'd provided names, addresses etc of businesses I'd applied to work for. No trust. As a result I had to run up living expenses and train fares on credit cards, one of which I still haven't paid off four months later. All for the want of better support from the government. How is that helping? And mine isn't even the worst story I've read or heard first hand. Its fucking disgraceful.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 17 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Ben-B wrote:
...It cost them so much in 4 years to hire 30 vehicles that they could have bought over 3000 of them.
Thats more to do with corruption...similar thing happened with airborne tankers...The leasing cost was a lot more per YEAR than the cash price...

Depends if they added in stuff like maintenance, parts, training, etc. Like when a company leases cars it also includes (usually) insurance, tax, service, tyres, etc.

There's often more to a headline quote, although I'm not saying you're wrong Wink
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 17 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus wept, what a horror-show.

160 applicants, 7 shortlisted, 3 seen (today), 1 to be rescheduled (still; this Job Centre person) and 3 can't make it for interviews in person so will need to do it over the phone Rolling Eyes

I suppose myself being promoted means that this headache is my own fault Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 17 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jesus wept, what a horror-show.

160 applicants, 7 shortlisted, 3 seen (today), 1 to be rescheduled (still; this Job Centre person) and 3 can't make it for interviews in person so will need to do it over the phone Rolling Eyes

I suppose myself being promoted means that this headache is my own fault Laughing


3 can't make it and need a phone interview? Jesus. If their availability won't even stretch to the first interview what will it be like if they were to get the job? Think about that.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 18 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

Depends if they added in stuff like maintenance, parts, training, etc. Like when a company leases cars it also includes (usually) insurance, tax, service, tyres, etc.

There's often more to a headline quote, although I'm not saying you're wrong Wink


Hire cost covered everything except fuel iirc, but the cost of purchase & maintaining a fleet was factored anyway. Don't think they did all that many miles a year, they were runabouts occasionally used but always kept ready for use.
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