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finger_nails_are_pretty
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PostPosted: 08:08 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Would you ride 5 miles without insurance? Reply with quote

I need to pick my bike up on Saturday morning but am currently uninsured. Would you risk riding 5 miles on a Saturday morning without insurance?

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Would a friend who is insured to ride any bike be able to ride it for me?
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

20 years ago I would have done, but not now.

The bike needs to be insured, then your friend can ride it. An insured person can no longer ride an uninsured bike.
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Would you ride 5 miles without insurance? Reply with quote

finger_nails_are_pretty wrote:
I need to pick my bike up on Saturday morning but I am currently uninsured. Would you risk riding 5 miles on a Saturday morning without insurance?

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Would a friend who is insured to ride any bike be able to ride it for me?


Why cant you insure the bike?
Arrange it today for the policy to start on saturday morning.
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arrange insurance before you move bike, one apnr camera and you're in deep.

Have it start when you plan to move vehicle, cancel it same day if you are putting vehicle on sorn.
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Would you ride 5 miles without insurance? Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
finger_nails_are_pretty wrote:
I need to pick my bike up on Saturday morning but I am currently uninsured. Would you risk riding 5 miles on a Saturday morning without insurance?

or

Would a friend who is insured to ride any bike be able to ride it for me?


Why cant you insure the bike?
Arrange it today for the policy to start on saturday morning.


Because its going on ebay on Saturday.
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Would you ride 5 miles without insurance? Reply with quote

Why cant you insure the bike?
Arrange it today for the policy to start on saturday morning.[/quote]

Because its going on ebay on Saturday.[/quote]

Some companies will do you one day or 7 day policies
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough.

Use a van/trailer.

Ask the current owner not to cancel the insurance until you get it home, assuming it is insured already, and get someone who is insured to ride other bikes to move it.

Ask your current insurer to add the bike for a short time as you are going on a test ride.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends what the five miles are like, rural countryside yes. Urban, no.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there usually a charge if insurance is cancelled or is this cooling off period?
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

YammyKid wrote:
Depends what the five miles are like, rural countryside yes. Urban, no.


Urban dual carriageways and housing estate.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bikesure.co.uk/short-term-motorcycle-insurance.php#sr=g&m=o&cp=or&ct=-tmc&st=(opu%20qspwjefe)&ts=1403167048 ?
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

finger_nails_are_pretty wrote:
YammyKid wrote:
Depends what the five miles are like, rural countryside yes. Urban, no.


Urban dual carriageways and housing estate.


The possibility of getting ANPR'd is too high. Don't risk it.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't even risk it.

It would be one of those where if you got caught you'd be kicking yourself for years (the amount of time it would take for the endorsement and 6 points to come off).
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

finger_nails_are_pretty wrote:
Is there usually a charge if insurance is cancelled or is this cooling off period?

Check T&C's; aparently there is an iundustry set guide-line on 'reasonable' admin fees in this circumstance; I think you get back a 'pro-rata' proportion of the premium for unused 'months', so 11/12ths, less set-up admin; usually around £30 or so.

BUT, if you buy on credit plan? Gawd alone knows! You probably wont be liable for a years interest if you cancel in cooling, but probably still get hit for pretty hefty admin charge.

I know that my insurance probably isn't worth cancelling ever! Due to the admin fees and cancellation charges etc!

It's probably not worth the hassle of even exploring. Personally, I can hire a trailer for £40 a day, and I have a hitch on back of the car.... and that's if I cant call in a favour from a mate with a van, or get a borrow.

It's certainly not worth the risk of riding without insurance; never really has been, and now? With plod 'wired' to their in-car-computer, and convinced of its infallibility? Nah! Van or Trailer. fuck, if push came to shove, even a bludy wheel-barrow! Its only an hours walk or so.... Poor IP had to push his VT almost that far up the M42 a week or so back!
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
The bike needs to be insured, then your friend can ride it. An insured person can no longer ride an uninsured bike.

Bullshit of Teflonian proportions.

It entirely depends on the certificate of insurance (and the policy).

I've read both of mine very carefully, and would cheerfully ride (with the owner's permission) a roadworthy bike that's isn't covered by a policy of insurance or showing on the MID. Come at me, Dibble.

If you think this isn't the case in England (where OP is), then you need to take it up with the Court of Appeals, because their ruling on it is as plain as a pikestaff. The certificate means what the certificate says, regardless of any jive from Dibble, or even the insurer's phone monkeys.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger do you work in law or do you just have a keen interest in it?
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger is 100% spot on there, but, it seems that many insurers are now cottoning on to this fact, and specifically stating that there must be an insurance policy in force on the vehicle being driven, so be very careful Thumbs Up

read your insurance certificate carefully. i know that both my car and motorbike policy don't require there to be a current policy in force on the vehicle i am driving/riding, and I confirmed that with the call centre monkeys. that said, if you then park it up somewhere, you are no longer driving/riding, and it could be argued that no insurance is in place........ what a mess Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd risk it. Five miles is going to be less than ten minutes, so even if the current owner picks up the phone to call his insurance company as you're going down his driveway, you're likely to still be insured when you get home.

Or find an insurance company who don't charge you much for cancellation in the first 14 days. This will probably be cheaper than hiring a van or trailer, unless you or a mate already have one.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolly3900 wrote:


Sorry to contradict, but
Skudd wrote:
The bike needs to be insured, then your friend can ride it. An insured person can no longer ride an uninsured bike.
is correct.


no, it's not. see the court ruling that roger posted, and my two insurance policies. i promise you that i have looked in to this very carefully for various reasons i wont bother going into.....

dolly3900 wrote:
To be able to ride/drive a vehicle on your policy under the Ride/Drive other vehicles caveat, the vehicle must be insured in its own right to start with.


depends on your certificate of insurance, and the exact wording.

dolly3900 wrote:
Otherwise what is to stop you buying a 50cc ped, insuring it for £50 to get the other bike entitlement, then buying yourself a Busa or Gixer and riding it for the year on your cut price policy.


erm, the fact that your policy certainly states that it must not be owned by you (and in many cases, a member of your immediate family)

dolly3900 wrote:
These days, the only time your vehicle can be uninsured is when it is officially SORN'd, at all other times it must have a valid policy in its own right.


Mike


this is true, and the owner would technically be up for a continuous insurance fine, but that isn't the question here Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 09:36 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, quick look online and if cancelled in 14 days, about 30 quid admin fee and full refund minus pro rota cost days insured. Cheaper than a van. Pushing it 5 miles ssounds horrible.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not worth it.

I insured a bike and cancelled within 14 days and got every penny back.

Go figure. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Borrow a plate from a legit bike. Cheap and easy.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Skudd wrote:
The bike needs to be insured, then your friend can ride it. An insured person can no longer ride an uninsured bike.

Bullshit of Teflonian proportions.

Stuff.


I stand corrected, but you can see where and how I came to that conclusion, plus I wouldn't want to put it to the test with the Merseyside plods.

I was also under the impression that this loop hole was closed in respect to persons getting vehicles out of compounds when they had been confiscated.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 19 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:



I was also under the impression that this loop hole was closed in respect to persons getting vehicles out of compounds when they had been confiscated.


you're right on this one Skudd Thumbs Up in most, if not all, of the policies i've had, it states that it is not valid for recovering a seized vehicle. Karma
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