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PostPosted: 17:17 - 28 Jun 2014    Post subject: Bloody things are popping up everywhere! Reply with quote

Rode into Swansea earlier and to my absolute disgust, came across those yellow average speed check things. Dont know if they are active yet, I guess I will find out soon enough.
Whats pissin me off is they are spreading across the country like cancer. How long will it be before every road has them? If theres one thing I hate more than anything else its driving slow. Irritates me no end. Rant over.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 28 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

...at the speed of the most timid driver, with everyone's eyes glued to their speedometers.

Front or rear facing?
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 28 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

When they want to reduce speed on racetracks they fit chicanes.

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PostPosted: 19:41 - 28 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
...at the speed of the most timid driver, with everyone's eyes glued to their speedometers.

Front or rear facing?


Im not sure. Always assumed average scum cameras can get bikes.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 28 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every average speed set up I have ever seen is set up to see the rear of the vehicle so yes it would get bikes

That being said the ones round here seem very lenient, normal cameras have about 10% tolerance I think ? These seem to have more IMO. Been through far faster and not received and presents in the post yet
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 28 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving around Manchester I have noticed three sets of cameras (on each side of the road) on almost every road in and out of Manchester with one outer ring of them at the M60 and another one.

7 years ago we said NO in a referendum. Guess they aren't listening and pushing it as they know best. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 28 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Driving around Manchester I have noticed three sets of cameras (on each side of the road) on almost every road in and out of Manchester

ANPR?
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 29 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

All SPECS cameras are axiomatically ANPR.

AFAIK, there is no statutory or regulatory protection against the information being stored indefinitely or used for whatever future purposes the State fancies coming up with. Road charging, for example.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 29 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

And still no one has mentioned setting them on fire Wink allegedly Wink
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 29 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

North circ ones are front facing, can blast through them Laughing


Same with the ones of the trips down to south end, they do however have a couple of GATSO's strategically placed
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 29 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Driving around Manchester I have noticed three sets of cameras (on each side of the road) on almost every road in and out of Manchester with one outer ring of them at the M60 and another one.

7 years ago we said NO in a referendum. Guess they aren't listening and pushing it as they know best. Rolling Eyes


Yep 6 years ago 70% said no but I doubt they don't give a shit.

The improvements spending on bus routes around manchester, traffic calming and the new metrolink services to manchester airport, that is due to be finished a year early was all part of the proposal if we said yes to CC yet its still happened.

Was speaking to a few taxi drivers about 9 months ago about all the road works around deansgate, the plans for bus/taxis only on part of oxford road around the uni and the introduction of 20 speed limits around the city (because drivers use PUBLIC side roads as a "rat runs" to avoid traffic) and they all said the same thing. Its part of getting ready for the congestion charge like it was common knowledge.

Wonder what new name it will be given

Also the cameras on all the routes in and out of manchester are ANPR cameras
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 29 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glasgow will be there soon. They're pushing the free parking zones further out, the "McBoris Bikes" are in, and the Commonwealth Zil Lanes are going into action soon with "safety CCTV" (really) covering them. To nobody's great surprise, it's just been revealed that they will be retained as yet more new bus lanes afterwards.

Essentially, the projected income from the Games is being used to prep the city for lockdown.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
....the projected income from the Games is being used to prep the city for lockdown.

Nothing that hasn't been predicted - Doomsday for example Wink

...or is that a vision of post referendum Yes vote Scotsland? Very Happy

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On topic. Average speed cameras around Nottingham's ring road. Only during the day traffic is so bad you don't get above 30, let alone the 40mph limit, anyhow.
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PostPosted: 02:11 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because speed reduce KSIs

https://www.abd.org.uk/pr/806.htm

Or not.
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PostPosted: 06:55 - 02 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

they have front and rear facing average speed cameras here in Bedford Neutral
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 02 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:
they have front and rear facing average speed cameras here in Bedford Neutral


Only on two roads so far fortunately. I tend to avoid those roads. It'd be a pity if someone were to remove them from the lamp posts they're bolted to though. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 05 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
thx1138 wrote:
they have front and rear facing average speed cameras here in Bedford Neutral


Only on two roads so far fortunately. I tend to avoid those roads. It'd be a pity if someone were to remove them from the lamp posts they're bolted to though. Wink


I've been nicked on the Barkers Lane ones, banged to rights.

Also on Box End Road, Kempston.

There are more going up soon and in the pipeline though.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
All SPECS cameras are axiomatically ANPR.


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PostPosted: 19:43 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomoose wrote:

I've been nicked on the Barkers Lane ones, banged to rights.

Also on Box End Road, Kempston.

There are more going up soon and in the pipeline though.


I wonder if I could work a "green lane" defense in, and say that the reason I popped up betweens point a and b so quickly, is that I went off road via point z? Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomoose wrote:


I've been nicked on the Barkers Lane ones, banged to rights.

Also on Box End Road, Kempston.

There are more going up soon and in the pipeline though.



Where does this war on the motorist in Bedfordshire come from?

I wouldn't mind, but the roads where people are most likely to hurt themselves remain (thankfully) unpoliced.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seen many more forward facing ones than rear.


Although on the mway I've seen a lot which light the area where the cameras are, using a floodlight on the side of the motorway, presumably to light up the numberplate.

Yet they have night vision cameras so don't require floodlighting to work in the dark. So not sure why the lights. Not all the SPECS have the floodlights to the side anyway.


They do seem to crop up everywhere now though, some on a temporary basis, a lot on a permanent basis on new 50-limit roads that were formerly NSL.

These roads now seem to have average speeds of 30-40 on them, but in the past always seemed to get a healthy 50-60 when they were NSL. No difference in traffic, just the cameras scaring people at the front of the queue holding everyone up I think.
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PostPosted: 07:31 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have a set of front facing average speed cameras on the A14 near Kettering at the moment, they have those spotlights next to them too. I'm certain they're only up to get additional funding for the road widening scheme that's going on... As its all been reduced down to a 40mph from a 70mph..
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
Average speed cameras around Nottingham's ring road. Only during the day traffic is so bad you don't get above 30, let alone the 40mph limit, anyhow.


Are they actually speed cameras though? They're blue, not yellow. I've seen a lot of these at the side of roads and just thought they were for traffic monitoring.
The A453 for example has the yellow average speed cameras and then has a set of blue ones on a stick at the side of the road.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 12 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing that makes me laugh the most is the bell ends
you see that brake for the average speed cameras as they
pass them and speed up between them. It really is a shocking
indictment of our education system that there are actually people
out there who don't understand the meaning of the word average.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 12 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Llama-Farmer wrote:
These roads now seem to have average speeds of 30-40 on them, but in the past always seemed to get a healthy 50-60 when they were NSL. No difference in traffic, just the cameras scaring people at the front of the queue holding everyone up I think.


I'm a pretty new rider so I thought I was imagining it at first, but there are certain roads which are currently limited to 50 or less that have softer sweeping twisties which would suggest they were originally conceived as national speed limit roads. Having discussed it with a few riders and drivers I know who were aware of before and after, this is certainly the case on at least a couple of routes I use regularly.

It's like the Challenge 25 initiative for buying booze, it doesn't get to the route of the cause (irresponsible people doing silly things due to poor judgement) and is a flawed measure that just stings those who actually have an idea of what they're doing. Lowest common denominator thinking.
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