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PostPosted: 11:30 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Bike has eaten chain! Reply with quote

Replaced the ER6 chain, just before Euro trip, with Renthal sprockets too (all standard size). Chain is a DID Heavy Duty.

It was perfect a few days before we left. Got to Lille, about 200 miles and it was slack, proper slack. Obviously you expect a bit of stretch initially but it needed a lot of adjustment. A couple of days later and it was the same again, needing adjusting. It's now at the point after about 1500 miles where it's nearly beyond adjustment. When you pull the chain off the back sprocket it moves a fair way, pretty much half a tooth depth. Changed the rear for a standard JT sprocket, just in case and it's the same.

Just a bad chain, bought from Wemoto so not a chinese knock off. The Mrs rode it mainly and doesn't abuse it.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds more likely the adjustment mechanism is shifting or is borked in some way. I assume its markers are showing it hasn't shifted at all? In which case it might be something else shifting that's not immediately observable. I can't see any way a legit quality chain could stretch like that. Possibly counterfeit?
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Sounds more likely the adjustment mechanism is shifting or is borked in some way. I assume its markers are showing it hasn't shifted at all? In which case it might be something else shifting that's not immediately observable. I can't see any way a legit quality chain could stretch like that. Possibly counterfeit?
Yup markers stayed put and have subsequently moved along with adjustment. Renthal that came off wasn't worn as you'd expect for about 1500 miles.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My lad had a chain go that he got from WEMoto. I called them up, explained. They expressed surprise, checked my order date and sent replacement.

I'd expect to look at chain adjustment approx. every 500miles ballpark. Which reminds me, must get around to fitting an oiler.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the adjustor-bolts sound?
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Are the adjustor-bolts sound?
Yep all fine, is neither sticking nor too free on movement. It's the double nut affair pulling from the rear.
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure the wheel was correctly aligned? If it was out of whack that might cause a good chain to stretch abnormally. If it was aligned correctly it has to be the chain is defective or counterfeit. Either way, refund.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: Bike has eaten chain! Reply with quote

Had a similar problem with a DID Heavy Duty 428 chain on a 125, also from wemoto. I would suggest that it may be called heavy duty, but is infact a pile of shit that will need constant adjustment.

Ask for a replacement ASAP, pay extra for a DID X ring chain. They will do 10,000 miles with no adjustment, and perhaps 30,000 in total (525 on a cbr6).
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garage changed the chain when the did a rear tyre change (I supplied chain and they fitted). Will give wemoto a ring and see what they have to say.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt Wemoto will like the thought of the garage changing the chain, perhaps they will assume something underhand has happened.
Of course I wouldn't suggest that the garage isn't top notch but your last post rang some alarm bells for me.
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CestrianX wrote:
I doubt Wemoto will like the thought of the garage changing the chain, perhaps they will assume something underhand has happened.
Of course I wouldn't suggest that the garage isn't top notch but your last post rang some alarm bells for me.
I was there and they are really good, independent MOT place but I would send anyone there and do. Chain that came off was a DID and had been fine, but was getting near for a change.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good call, thanks guys. Wemoto sending a replacement, they would've sent new sprockets too, but they couldn't find the order. In all fairness I'm not worried as I now have more sprockets than I know what to do with.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 01 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

wotsthestory wrote:
I now have more sprockets than I know what to do with.


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PostPosted: 08:22 - 03 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
You put a new chain on worn sprockets......of course it's going to wear out quicker. Replace chain and sprockets as a set, never mix old and new
Good advice, thanks!

wotsthestory wrote:
Replaced the ER6 chain, just before Euro trip, with Renthal sprockets too (all standard size). Chain is a DID Heavy Duty.
Off to weld my chain to my sprockets, that'll fix it!
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 03 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally "heavy duty" chains are just cheap, plain chain. Going back a few years the choices would be:
Standard
Heavy Duty
O-ring
X-ring

If you have a non O-ring chain, you need to lube it a lot more often (or use a chain oiler). As soon as they get dry, there's no reserve or lube as you find on an O-ring chain, just metal on metal wearing the thing out.

I used to use them on my Honda 250s, but they would get lubed every 100 miles or so. Those bikes were a 250cc single with no proper cush drive, so they ate chains anyway. A heavy duty chain was under £20 from David Silver's, so I didn't care if it only lasted 5k.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 03 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The chain is of exactly the same type that came off a DID (not sure of old one was Heavy Duty or Standard), which had been on for the last year and no idea prior to that, as that's when I bought it. I had it checked at the MOT in October and they said maybe consider replacing chain in a few months but it all looks ok, including sprockets. I bought Chain and Sprockets in January, didn't change until May. As it stands I have 1500 mile chain which is far worse than the one that came off. It's an X ring chain by the way.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 03 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Can you post a clear close up of one of the links with the "DID" stamp on? Where did you buy it?
Bike isn't with me, but as above, from Wemoto and they are sending a replacement.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 03 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So DID are like EBC these days?

EBC used to be the brand to go to for brakes, but are now junk.


Thinking about it OEM chains seem to last longest, probably go for OEM.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 03 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
So DID are like EBC these days?

EBC used to be the brand to go to for brakes, but are now junk.


Thinking about it OEM chains seem to last longest, probably go for OEM.
It seems odd though, it was £80, cheapest chains are like £30, so it wasn't cheap. Like I say swapped out for what was on it, as this seemed to be a good indicator of quality. Guess not.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 03 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you replace the sprockets when the chain was fitted ??
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 03 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My uncle bought a load of agricultural chain and swears it's exactly the same as the stuff most motorcycle brands flog. I've used it for about 2 years now on my YBR125 and it's been fine. Think it worked out at about £3 for the YBR.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 03 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Did you replace the sprockets when the chain was fitted ??

wotsthestory wrote:
Replaced the ER6 chain, just before Euro trip, with Renthal sprockets too (all standard size). Chain is a DID Heavy Duty.

To recap: I bought chain and sprockets from Wemoto, they were on separate orders, but fitted at the same time in May. When my tyre was changed at a local garage I know and trust, I was stood there it was done then. They did the fireblade 2 months before and it has done more miles, it's needed a minor adjustment after all that time (same chain but obviously different size).
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 03 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So to summarise:
You bought a new tyre from wemoto and then swapped the er6 chain for the cbr one .... but the tyre is now stretched and the sprockets are bald ???!

My advice is BUY A SINGLE SIDED SWINGYARM VFR and grow a beard.
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