Dirty robbing bastards!

[GeorgeB.]

A few years ago my Uncle gave me his old KMX which had been sat in my grandad's garage for 10 years before that (he got it for his 18th, rode it up and down the street once and never touched it again).

When I had it (with the intention of sorting it and getting it on the road) my step-dad spoke to the DVLA who said it wasn't on their systems. Fair enough, we though, we'll register it once it's roadworthy.

Fast forward to now, I've sold the bike to a mate who has appleid for a new V5 and paid £25 for the privilege. Yesterday, my Uncle opens a letter saying he's being fined £55 by the DVLA for not informing them of change of keeper, £35 if he pays before the 13th.

Is there any way out of this, or just suck it up and pay it?
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...but you/he did tell them didn't he/you. I'm sure you remember sending a letter. Sadly you/he forgot to ask for proof of postage I'll bet. Interpretations Act (look it up or use search on here). Although IIRC the DVLA are trying to say that no longer applies.

There are other suggestions on here if you do a search.
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[Rogerborg]

It's not a fine, it's a blackmail demand.

So, has he been ignoring VED demands for 10 years?

The only way I can see is for him to use the "Dunno wot you meeean, mate" defence and say that he's still got it.

What the consequences of that would be for the new owner, I have no idea, but I doubt that anyone would enjoy it.

Right. Either pay up now, or ignore it completely.

I mean completely, no calling them up to bawww and definitely no giving them any more contact details.

Pay attention to it if and when a court summons hits the mat. At that point, either decide to defend the case, or open negotiations for bribing them, starting from the position that if they show up to court then it's all costs to them.
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[mattsmith95]

The DVLA bastards have fined me £100!!!

My story, bought a bike a couple of months ago to replace one of my bikes which was on it's last legs. I didn't insure the new bike and was going to insure it when I got rid of the other bike.

Got a letter a month ago informing me my bike wasn't insure and I could get fined BLAH BLAH BLAH..

Called up and insured the bike, job done.......WRONG, today got home from the bike shop and in the post was this fine for £100. The DVLA claim my bike isn't insured but it had been for a month. Phoned up Carole Nash who are sending me a letter to send with the penalty notice.

[P.addy]

Usually you'll get away with the first one.. wait for letter de court.
Send form back not guilty.
Explain case to one of their representatives. They will send someone to the magistrates court but don't expect to be in a big room with loads of judges. They'll chat, explain process. Ask why this was not followed which you can then say "we applied for one but you had no record of said bike" make up a date and they'll likely let you go.

That or trackies and trainers, "sent it fam, wot u sayin blud" is the other option..

[gavcarter]

I've had that one, went to court, didn't even get into court room.
Some bloke pulled me into a little room, told me why I was there - which I was already knew, and asked me what my response would be, fill in an expenses form and claim I couldnt pay before xx date because I had no money or contest the fine.

I wanted to contest it. I told him I had sorned the bike 3 days after the insurance ran out.
The insurance was never in my name as when I bought it, my mate still had tax and insurance on it that he just left to lapse ( cancellation fees tax not worth reclaiming) - it ran out end of the month but I was unsure on date, so I declared the bike sorn at 1st of the next month.

the database was checked on the 28th and flagged taxed but no insurance.

I never received proof of sorn in the post, but checking its status on the DVLA website and printing a copy out I could show the date of next liability - which proved what day it was sorned.

He told me "what a waste of time and money to drag people here over a 3 day discrepancy, go home son dont worry about it, the courts are really busy today anyway"

He filled in some DVLA headed papers, some from my local magistrates and i've heard nothing since ( few years now)

[Rogerborg]

[gavbriggs]

I can't wait for the tax disc to go, these fools are going to cost the motorist millions in taking folk to court for no good reason!
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[Polarbear]

I had the same for the CBR400 I gave away.

You haven't told us... dadidadida...

I just paid the £30. I know Paddy & Sickpup have won against the DVLA but I'm sure if I did it I'd end up with the bailiffs round owing the bastards an arm and a leg
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[Wonko The Sane]

So if the system requires us to notify the DVLA if we've not heard from them and their argument rests on "you didn't tell us"

If the DVLA don't send me my tax reminder and I then don't buy the tax disk can I use this as my defence:

"You didn't tell me I needed to purchase it and you didn't prompt me when you didn't' receive an acknowledgement of your letter"


surely it's the same rule and we should be fining them for not responding to the bits of paper we send in since they fine us if we don't act on the bits of paper they send out.
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[Polarbear]

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I am wondering with the wording where you have to deliver to the government Secretary. Would it be worth it to organise a day (or days) where people turn up in person to present the documentation? Not to anybody though, the secretary in person. Maybe that would highlight how stupid the wording and dvla are.

Now only if there was some national organisation(s) for bikers who could muster a united front and coordinate something like that

Or is that being silly?
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[mattsmith95]

[Rogerborg]