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PostPosted: 10:13 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Latest gaming console question(s) Reply with quote

Guys, I need help with choosing a gaming console for my kids. Now let me start by saying I know nothing about gaming consoles. I am in I.T. but have zero interest in gaming so these things have passed me by Laughing

At my house they have an xbox360. At their mothers house they have an xbox360 (each Rolling Eyes ), a PS3 and a Wii.

At the moment Tesco have a clubcard boost on and so I am thinking ahead toward Christmas as I have a huge amount of vouchers to use and consoles are in the boost at the moment so saving me a fortune.

I was thinking of getting them an xbox one but I can see huge arguments (they are 10 and 13) over who gets to use what console.

So, I am looking in to the PS4 but from what I have read, this console is not backward compatible with PS3 games. Is that really the case or does anyone know if this has changed or if it will be something that will be switched on with a firmware update at some point?

I have also considered a PS3 Embarassed
Okay, so it is an older console but at least they could use their games on it (they have a fair few PS3 ones at their mums that I bought for them). Is it really that old tech now that it is not worth paying £230 for one plus whatever another dual shock controller costs?

I have googled the PS4 and am getting some people saying that it will never have backwards compatibility but others saying it could happen.

Also, can you play xbox360 games on the one? Could I use their current xbox live subscription on the one?

As I say, I genuinely have no idea about consoles and have no interest in them so any advice would be very helpful.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neither console is backwards compatible.

Since they have 360s mainly, I would just stick with Microsoft and get an XB1.

It is also worth noting that MS are bringing a cheaper XB1 out soon with no kinect that you may want to wait for and save some more cash too.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wii U is the only backwards compatible console out there today. Can handle Wii and Gamecube games and use Wii accessories. Also handles other Nintendo consoles via virtual emulator.

I'm only waiting for the Wii U to get cheaper, or for the new GT for PS4 to buy a new console, what ever comes first I get. Wii U costs the same like 2 years now. Confused
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI, you can get a 250gb+ PS3 slim for ~£100 on ebay if you look around for a bit.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Wii U is the only backwards compatible console out there today. Can handle Wii and Gamecube games and use Wii accessories. Also handles other Nintendo consoles via virtual emulator.

I'm only waiting for the Wii U to get cheaper, or for the new GT for PS4 to buy a new console, what ever comes first I get. Wii U costs the same like 2 years now. Confused


Must be different over your way, several big shop chains in the UK have sold off their Wii U stocks at very good prices.

Had Mario Kart been released at the time I would be the owner of a Wii U, I like you am now waiting on a price drop.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 32gb version with a video game goes for around 230 pounds all over the country. The PS4 and Xbox one is about 325 pounds.

EDIT: The 95 pounds difference is what makes me wait for a good game for PS4 or Xbox one (never had a MS console before, yet I use 360 controller for PC gaming).
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I went for a PS4.

Reasons at the time:
-Cheap
-Smaller (also has integrated power transformer, not a house brick on the lead)
-More powerful (Yes, it is)
-Doesn't require Kinect
-Actually designed for gaming, rather than to be a 'media hub'

I should point out that Microsoft have since released a version of the console that matches the price of the PS4 and doesn't come with Kinect, so that's two problems solved.

The cynic in me doesn't trust the blu-ray deal, however. Blu-ray is Sony's baby and the Xbox One uses it, despite being the only real competitor.

With regard to the PS3, I'm sorry to say that I don't think the kids will appreciate a console that they already have access to as much as they would appreciate an upgrade.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS4 over the Xbox one

I don't have either but have played on them both, I prefer to stick with PC gaming, now there's a backward compatible platform and a half
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
Personally, I went for a PS4.

Reasons at the time:
-Cheap
-Smaller (also has integrated power transformer, not a house brick on the lead)

Arguably, external power supply keeps temps down inside the console itself.

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-More powerful (Yes, it is)

Not a relevant point with consoles, now both are using the same architecture, ports are going to happen far quicker and easier, but they will still be made to run on the least powerful of systems, so there is no benefit to the extra power other than with Sony exclusives.
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The cynic in me doesn't trust the blu-ray deal, however. Blu-ray is Sony's baby and the Xbox One uses it, despite being the only real competitor.

Blu-ray is NOT Sony's, Sony are only 1 of many companies in a group that developed Blu-Ray between them, including Philips, Samsung, TDK, LG, Hitachi.

Blu-Ray disc association is responsible for the licensing of this etc, full list of directors is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association

Sony is only 1 of many, so there should be no issues with MS using Blu-Ray and was a good move.

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With regard to the PS3, I'm sorry to say that I don't think the kids will appreciate a console that they already have access to as much as they would appreciate an upgrade.

I have to agree with this part. As a kid, I would be very disappointed with a PS3 if I had a PS3, Wii and a 360. Once I saw that size box wrapped up, I'd be expecting XB1/PS4.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:12 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys. If the xbox one isn't backward compatible either then there will be no advantage to getting one I guess.

I might stump up for a PS4 and spend the months leading up to xmas (can't believe I am thinking of xmas Rolling Eyes ) getting four or five decent titles they will enjoy.

Totally see the logic regarding the PS3. I would also have been hacked off as a kid getting a bit of old tech, not exactly something you want to talk about with your mates Razz
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

m3-paul wrote:
Cheers guys. If the xbox one isn't backward compatible either then there will be no advantage to getting one I guess.

I might stump up for a PS4 and spend the months leading up to xmas (can't believe I am thinking of xmas Rolling Eyes ) getting four or five decent titles they will enjoy.

Totally see the logic regarding the PS3. I would also have been hacked off as a kid getting a bit of old tech, not exactly something you want to talk about with your mates Razz


If they play a lot online, and are playing mainly on 360, chances are the people they play online with are likely to have XB1.

Also, if they're playing a lot online, then MS has a better online service than Sony.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:


Also, if they're playing a lot online, then MS has a better online service than Sony.


Not true as of this gen i'm afraid, was definitely true of the last though

sonys online service is pretty much in line with ms now, fewer 'entertaininment' services but for gaming there's not really anything in it, apart from sony giving away much better games with 'plus' each month than ms are giving away with games with gold
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 31 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for backwards compatibility PS are going to release a cloud streaming service of old games, unless that's changed since I saw the press release thingy.

I like the PS4, I got the PS+ to play online with mates and a few of my die hard XBox friends chose PS4 this time round are very impressed too.

PS+ costs £40/year but you get free games on PS4, PS3 and PS Vita, I have the PS3 and have had Grid 2, Metro Last Light, Bioshock Infinite Borderlands 2 amongst others that you can play for as long as you hold a PS+ subscription, they're great games too. PS4, obviously there haven't been any big titles because it's still in its infancy but the indie games are quite good and very entertaining.

One thing I can't get my head around, this applies to XB1 aswell, Why are the digital downloads of games a tenner more expensive than a disc I can buy in the shop?!?!
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 31 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One thing I can't get my head around, this applies to XB1 aswell, Why are the digital downloads of games a tenner more expensive than a disc I can buy in the shop?!?!


Full RRP rather then shop discounted price?
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 31 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:
snoosnoo wrote:

One thing I can't get my head around, this applies to XB1 aswell, Why are the digital downloads of games a tenner more expensive than a disc I can buy in the shop?!?!


Full RRP rather then shop discounted price?


Same on 360 etc too.

6 year old games you can pick up for £3 going for £19.99.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 31 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Wii U is the only backwards compatible console out there today. Can handle Wii and Gamecube games and use Wii accessories. Also handles other Nintendo consoles via virtual emulator.


The Wii U does NOT 'handle' Gamecube games, only Wii ones. The original Wii did take Gamecube games. You can, however, use your Gamecube controller with the Wii U.

The 'virtual emulator' means you have to buy the game again, even if you already own it as a cartridge. The list is somewhat limited, and there's no Gamecube games on there yet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Virtual_Console_games_for_Wii_U_(PAL_region)
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 31 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalangel wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
Wii U is the only backwards compatible console out there today. Can handle Wii and Gamecube games and use Wii accessories. Also handles other Nintendo consoles via virtual emulator.


The Wii U does NOT 'handle' Gamecube games, only Wii ones. The original Wii did take Gamecube games. You can, however, use your Gamecube controller with the Wii U.

The 'virtual emulator' means you have to buy the game again, even if you already own it as a cartridge. The list is somewhat limited, and there's no Gamecube games on there yet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Virtual_Console_games_for_Wii_U_(PAL_region)


So no gamecube then. Well, to be honest, there are not many of good gamecube games anyway. Smile
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 31 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got 2 * Xbox 360s, 1 * PS3, 1 * Wii, 1 * PS4, 1 * Gaming PC

Will be also getting an Xbox 1. In fact its the kids birthday present for the end of August (2 of them 4 days apart).

Always had more than one console. Always will, Been in to games from the start and now in my 40s. Had everything from Gransdtands, to Spectrums/CPC 464, 6128, ST, STE, Amiga, Megadrive,Playstation, Dreamcast, PS One, Playstation 2,Xbox, Xbox 360, PS3... (Must have missed a few in there also)

Always like Halo, Always liked Uncharted.

Cheapest for Games I would say would be Steam. For example the latest Lego Movie Video Game we got for ~ £5.80. LEgo Hobbit £10. The games are identical if not better to the PS4/Xbox One. Plus you can use your 360 remote on the PC.

Only downside you are playing games on a 23" instead of the big family TV.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

just emulate the wii and gamecube on a pc, dont bother with a wii u.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shinigami wrote:
just emulate the wii and gamecube on a pc, dont bother with a wii u.


I tried that in dolphin, gamecube was alright, but Wii was unplayable. I'd need a new PC to run Wii alright and it's far cheaper to just get the Wii U. + The last console I got was the PS2 and that's been like 14 years ago. So I thought I'd step into the future. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:
snoosnoo wrote:

One thing I can't get my head around, this applies to XB1 aswell, Why are the digital downloads of games a tenner more expensive than a disc I can buy in the shop?!?!


Full RRP rather then shop discounted price?


"discount" it like the shops do, then the middle men don't get their cut from the price.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
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just emulate the wii and gamecube on a pc, dont bother with a wii u.


I tried that in dolphin, gamecube was alright, but Wii was unplayable. I'd need a new PC to run Wii alright and it's far cheaper to just get the Wii U. + The last console I got was the PS2 and that's been like 14 years ago. So I thought I'd step into the future. Thumbs Up


really? doesnt take a beast to run the wii games. my old system was running mariokart perfectly around 3 years ago..

i still dont play any of the wii games though as my pc / 360 games are generally better
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get them a PS+ subscription and enjoy tons of free titles.

Chuck a PS4 and revel in remote play on the vita.

I bought both with the X1 being 1st. As far as interface and speed I think the PS4 is a lot quicker to navigate around.
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