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PostPosted: 11:25 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: XBMC Users, what hardware platform Reply with quote

Whilst I could try googling this I am after more real life experiences.

At home I have a Windows server with shares for Videos (TV, Movies, Porn etc), Music, Pictures, standard windows shares.

I wish to setup an XBMC device as I'm sick of the crap TV Virgin Media offers and I used to be quite into HTPC'ing but I am completely out of it these days.

I have a number of small form factor PCs what have decent hardware spec, easy enough for 1080p playback.

Network wise it I am using cable so that should cause no issues either.

So,

Do I buy and setup a Raspberry Pi or setup a PC.

If PC, windows with XBMC client or linux with XBMC client or a live install disk (using hdd rather than usb).

What are peoples recommendations?

Previously HTPC'ing has always been windows with a client on top (at the time Meedio) but you have all the pro's and con's of Windows.

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have XBMC on a couple of devices and it isnt the best,
Very hit and miss with live anything,
Lots of dead links for TV shows etc, I gave up in the end and returned to my old ways.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried setting up a Pi for XBMC purposes at home but I could never get it to run smoothly, maybe a different memory card might have solved the issue?

Anyway, I just downloaded it onto the other half's Windows 7 laptop and run it as a program through there. Smooth as anything now.

Not sure if thats any help. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an old and I mean old PC with XMBC that I use to stream my movies on the remote hard drive connected to the router to my TV (the TV has DLNA, so XMBC just acting as server for it). It's running the now outdated Windows XP (and is so old I can't upgrade).

Previously I did the same with a Toshiba netbook running XP. However, this didn't really have enough uumph as over wireless. The old PC is better, hardwire connected via some powerline network plugs to make sure everything connected.

I really need to look into a Linux upgrade. My colleagues tell me that you can get bespoke XMBC incorporated into a Linux version for the Raspberry Pi. However, as I have something working I haven't seen the need to change (yet).
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

i run it on an android mini pc

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK809II-bluetooth-Andriod-4-1-1-Dual-Core-RK3066-1-6GHZ-Mini-PC-WiFi-TV-Host-USB-/151166209353?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_Streamers&hash=item2332354d49

i only use it for streaming stuff from mash up but i have had no problems with it.

cost me circa £30 for mini pc and a rechargeable mini wireless keyboard.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting reading, sounds like I am still best to stick to a PC, most likely with Windows installed.

My interest in raspberry Pi was only sparked due to "Techmoan" on youtube as he had a video on his channel about it, he did point out it wasn't always smooth.

I have played with XBMC on a VM and it was always ok.

Regarding streaming, I am unlikely to use it, only sport I care about is motoGP and I get them from Virgin. Movies can be torrented from elsewhere.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raspberry-pi Model B connected by ethernet.
Raspbmc installed to 4gb Sandisk cruzer
Hooked into a pioneer VSX-S300 a/v receiver.
Media served over NFS from a NAS and a Server using the Hanewine NFS Server application running as a service on the server.

Shared library running from the NAS accessed by raspbmc and xbmc on an android phone and a couple of laptops.


Current config.txt

arm_freq=1000
core_freq=500
gpu_freq=500
sdram_freq=500
over_voltage=6
disable_overscan=1
gpu_mem=256
force_turbo=1

Rock solid, no reboots, no buffering.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do more of less what Cansa does.

I have a couple of Pi's one 256, one 512. Both run very well.

I used to use an old laptop with a If you do go the PC route and want CEC adapter. If you want one I no longer have a use for mine.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil. wrote:
I do more of less what Cansa does.

I have a couple of Pi's one 256, one 512. Both run very well.

I used to use an old laptop with a If you do go the PC route and want CEC adapter. If you want one I no longer have a use for mine.


That CEC thing is neat.

I think I'll stick with the PC route for now and explore Raspberry PI at a later date. I'll have at least 2 more to build for bedrooms so the front room can be my tester.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ridelikeasaint wrote:
So yeah. You got any specific XBMC questions, send them my way. I've been using it since the Xbox 1 days, where it used to run in a mere 64MB of RAM, total. It's a bit of a bloated mess these days


*sigh*

It's not like there is a former xbmc dev on BCF who now actively participates in the dev of raspbmc. Whistle

Just because something has developed and evolved into something much more versatile does not mean it is a bloated mess.

Don't even get me started on your use of an IR remote rather than Yatse or something similar.

Then there is your "this is broken, then working then broken" statement which is followed by "I'm not going to upgrade".
Thumbs Up Great job there genius.

Please tell me you have a shared library across all your devices, if not then you are just some punk who thinks he is a bad-ass.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
It's not like there is a former xbmc dev on BCF who now actively participates in the dev of raspbmc. Whistle


Not disputing that. But real end-user experience can often differ from how a dev would test/use an XBMC rig. Hence my point.

Last time I checked, Rpi still can't do 1080p with DTS decoding. Makes it okay for a portable rig playing 720p content, not ideal for something that can play everything... not denigrating, just saying.

CaNsA wrote:
Just because something has developed and evolved into something much more versatile does not mean it is a bloated mess.


Yes it does when basic functionality suffers, or stuff that used to be simple four years ago is now a lot more complex for no particular reason. The fact that both Frodo and Gotham were declared "finished" then had .1, .2 and .3 subversions released to fix obvious bugs that end users found which devs didn't speaks volumes about the problems in the process.

Anyway don't get cocky, I've worked with former XBMC devs and people who still code plugins for XBMC up until last year. There are reasons people left the project, and there are reasons skins and plugins often need to be recoded between major releases. Bloat. Easiest way to distill to a single word the problem in ways most people understand.

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Don't even get me started on your use of an IR remote rather than Yatse or something similar.


Oh no, by all means start my friend. Obviously I have no idea what these things are, despite the fact I have Yatse on all five Android devices used in my household, and the official XBMC remote (which is, about a year later, still crashy and horribly broken even for basic functionality, once again pointing to problems in the dev process) too. You take a few paragraphs meant to help people and turn them around to run me down, well that's not helping the OP of this thread one bit is it? Which is what you were trying to do a few posts ago, and what I was trying to do.

Don't bother to ask me what kind of IR remote or the sensor connected to the PC too, or how I threw it all together to fit my particular usage case perfectly. You know, stuff that might help regular users hoping to make a good media centre on a budget?

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Then there is your "this is broken, then working then broken" statement which is followed by "I'm not going to upgrade".
Thumbs Up Great job there genius.


If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Simple maxim, true here. XBMC 12 does everything I want it to, why would I want to have to re-do dozens of hours of work customising it to work properly on my HTPC when it already does? The extra functionality of Gotham doesn't warrant me re-writing my version of PM3.HD or redoing my entire EventGhost keymap to correctly shortcut me directly to YouTube or iPlayer, for example, because the pointers have changed for the sake of change.

But by all means, take my post meant to be readable by non-techie types and assume because I've dumbed down my whole customisation process to explain it simply to those who don't care to read pages of technical jargon, which as mentioned took months, and assume that I know nothing, and haven't been using computers for 25+ years since I was a 5 year old kid coding BASIC on a BBC Micro and so on. Have at it.

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Please tell me you have a shared library across all your devices, if not then you are just some punk who thinks he is a bad-ass.


If you'd bothered to read what I wrote properly then you'd know I have no need for a shared library. The only thing that needs a library is my HTPC, why would I waste time making a shared library when most of the other devices I have are clearly run as standalones.

I suppose we could waste time with this type of written verbal sparring or we could concentrate on helping the person who made this thread. Personally I'll go for the latter. You seem hell bent on proving you can out-geek me so you carry on.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You got any specific XBMC questions, send them my way.


What makes you think you are the best person for the job?

How do you know that there aren't other end-users on this forum who are far more knowledgeable than you?

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Well according to you, it is broke...
So why dont you fix it and stop bitching...

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Anyway don't get cocky, I've worked with former XBMC devs and people who still code plugins for XBMC up until last year.

Please stop, really please. I think I might piss myself.

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Don't bother to ask me what kind of IR remote or the sensor connected to the PC too

I don't intend to.


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Rpi still can't do 1080p with DTS decoding. Makes it okay for a portable rig playing 720p content, not ideal for something that can play everything...

How many people carry around a portable 5.1 surround sound system?

However, my r-pi setup handles media with a stupidly high bitrate and doesn't break a sweat.

If you want to know why NFS is the best method of streaming media across a network, and particularly when the r-pi is the client, I will gladly let you know.

In true BCF tradition, TL:DR.

You should always assume there are people more experienced than you instead of bouncing in as Billy big bollocks.
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PostPosted: 07:10 - 02 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice job buddy, we've just derailed this whole thread, now it's a dick measuring contest between you and me instead of being a genuinely helpful thread about XBMC. Lol. Very Happy

EDIT: You know what, I apologise for acting like a dick CaNsA. Half a bottle of good vodka and an open public forum don't mix. I would actually like to know how to set up NFS, I'm tired of the overheads on SMB/FTP, takes too long to open a HD movie across even a good gigabit/wireless N network.
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 02 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over the years, tried them all, back in the day I had two original XBOX's purely for XBMC, then the quality of video rapidly outgrew the processing power of the box.

Now just DLNA capable tv or even better a Samsung Smart TV and run plex server on a windows pc as there is a native Plex app, backed up by Universal Media Server for the FEW things that don't play on Plex. Plex used to be a sack of shit, tried it again a few months ago, never looked back.

Chromecast £30 will allow this to work with ANY tv with an HDMI port. I now use the Plex app on iPad, turn it on and connect. Then TV turns on followed by A/V amp. It really is bliss. Obviously the TV and Amp play nicely together which helps.

I can watch my stuff from anywhere on iDevice/Android/Browser, the server software runs off a number of Nas devices too.
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 02 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Raspberry-pi Model B connected by ethernet.
Raspbmc installed to 4gb Sandisk cruzer
Hooked into a pioneer VSX-S300 a/v receiver.
Media served over NFS from a NAS and a Server using the Hanewine NFS Server application running as a service on the server.

Shared library running from the NAS accessed by raspbmc and xbmc on an android phone and a couple of laptops.


Current config.txt

arm_freq=1000
core_freq=500
gpu_freq=500
sdram_freq=500
over_voltage=6
disable_overscan=1
gpu_mem=256
force_turbo=1

Rock solid, no reboots, no buffering.


My current config text has this:


# default GPU memory split (do not change if you do not know what you are doing)
gpu_mem=128

# SDRAM size based GPU memory split, uncomment and setup to override 'gpu_mem'
gpu_mem_256=100
gpu_mem_512=128

Should I leave as is?

The rest of your setup - is that just for playing stored content from a hard drive i.e torrented video files or whatever? I only bother streaming stuff as its mostly non-problematic - although HD video can stream slowly, so sometimes have to pause video to allow buffer to catch up, not sure if this is more to do with speed of streaming from whatever server the video is being streamed from though....

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PostPosted: 11:05 - 02 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phill, if you want to speed your up chuck this in your config.txt.

Code:
arm_freq=1000
core_freq=500
gpu_freq=500
sdram_freq=500
over_voltage=6
disable_overscan=1
gpu_mem_256=128
gpu_mem_512=256
force_turbo=1


Use notepad++ to edit/create the file.
There are reasons why you should use notepad++ and not notepad, but i wont bore you with them.

Now, you shouldn't get any data corruption on your sdcard but there is always the risk.
If that happens then you need to re-install Raspbmc.
This is why i run it from a usb stick, it can handle the speed.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 02 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgot to mention I'm running OpenELEC with storage on USB, system on SD card.

Will give that config a blast.

Ta,

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PostPosted: 11:34 - 02 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are people's thoughts on an XBMC r-pi compared to an all-in-one media PC under the TV?

I know nothing of the subject, but am possibly interested in some kind of setup.

I guess with a shared library and a r-pi, there's really no need for an all-in-one, as you could just rip on to the shared library using the computer?
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 02 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
Forgot to mention I'm running OpenELEC with storage on USB, system on SD card.

Will give that config a blast.

Ta,

GhostRider


If you bump the system onto a usb stick, and just use the sdcard to boot from, you will notice a huge improvement in performance.

PhilDerpson was round the other night and had a sex wee because my pi was so responsive. A Sandisk Cruzer USB stick will read/write alot faster than a class10 sdcard.
If you spunk for a 4 or 8gb USB3.0 stick then you will deffo get one that will be fairly speedy.
I bought an 8gb Sandisk Cruzer Force because it's physical size was tiny when compared to the Sandisk Cruzer.
But the r/w speed was slower.

With the Raspbmc installer there is an option to install it to usb, makes life a bit easier.
I havent touched Openelec for over a year so I dont know if you have to do it manually or not.
Either way,

https://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Install_XBMC_on_Raspberry_Pi_with_USB_drive


Something to be aware of though, great changes are ahead.
A few months back Sam, of Raspbmc fame, started working on OSMC.
https://forum.stmlabs.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=13

Last night the XBMC devs officially announced the renaming of XBMC to Kodi.
https://xbmc.org/introducing-kodi-14/
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rideslikeanob wrote:
Nice job buddy, we've just derailed this whole thread, now it's a dick measuring contest between you and me instead of being a genuinely helpful thread about XBMC. Lol. Very Happy

EDIT: You know what, I apologise for acting like a dick CaNsA. Half a bottle of good vodka and an open public forum don't mix. I would actually like to know how to set up NFS, I'm tired of the overheads on SMB/FTP, takes too long to open a HD movie across even a good gigabit/wireless N network.


Yes, you are a massive bellend.

However,

The bastard aceofclubs posted this 3 days after i had finished documenting the Hanewin NFS server setup guide, that I was going to submit to STMLabs.

https://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=6285&pid=50982#pid50982

Disable a/v before downloading for obvious reasons.
Run everything as admin.
https://mega.co.nz/#!JBdXQLrK!CJcicDBuKg4JQkygIlQHRvhNOeNpXAYSEuqp5LEdJ8o


My NAS doesnt have NFS built-in so I have mounted the NAS directories I use for the pi onto my server (NobCat) and share them from there.
Below is my config file for the NFS server, the program calls it a "Exports file"

Code:
\\NippleBiscuits\XBMC\Telly -public -name:TV
\\NippleBiscuits\XBMC\Video -public -name:Vids
\\NippleBiscuits\XBMC\Music2 -public -name:Music
\\NippleBiscuits\XBMC\Pics -public -name:Pics
E:\Films -public -name:FilmsE
i:\films -public -name:Films

# exports example
# C:\ftp -range 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.10
# c:\public -public -readonly
# c:\tools -readonly 192.168.1.4


The main gripe I have with the pi is that the eth0 and sdcard slot are just eth0-usb and sdcard-usb adapters.
They both run on the USB pipe.
You will never get anywhere near eth0 speeds on USB2.0.
With a setup like that you have to be very efficient with the limited bandwidth that is available to you.
All network overheads are there for the system, obviously, but are of no great use to the end user.
NFS is the most efficient way of streaming as it has tiny overheads and is very reliable.
The more bandwidth you can use for actual data the better.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 02 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

New question.

I have a load of DVDs I want to put onto a hard drive without converting to avi.

Does xbmc support ISO and vob files?
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Yep
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 03 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tips, if our roles had been reversed I don't think I would have still been in a position to help!

Anyway I was hoping to get NFS support on my HTPC (it's fairly fast, SSD to boot/run from, gigabit ethernet and one 4TB HDD by eSATA, another 2TB by USB2) running Windows 7 with some DLL hacks to boot right into XBMC with themed splash screen etc, I don't have as much time I'm hoping this can be done in an hour or two, any suggestions?

Oh they're renaming XBMC to Codeine... uh I mean Kodi. Not sure why they went with that name...
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rideslikeanob wrote:
I don't have as much time I'm hoping this can be done in an hour or two, any suggestions?


No need for a dirty hack, do it the right way and put a shortcut to xbmc into the startup folder within the start menu.


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Type 1 in the String box, and then save your changes.
Quit Regedt32.
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Restart your computer and Windows. You are now able to log on automatically.
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