Ban Surface Dressing Roads

[FriendlyEllis]

You know.... Country road...lovely day..... Oh no...... They've smeared it in tar and spread piles of gravel all over it.

Stone chips and heart stopping bends!!

Sign the petition....maybe!

https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/67408
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[Moo.]

Saw they,d written about this in the MCN paper too. Hate the stuff and those ridges you get soon after..
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[grr666]

I agree, these roads are lethal for cyclists (motor and otherwise) and not great for
the water based paints we have on our cars now either.
The front of my car looks like I spend all my time trying to push people along down the road.
So it's ok if it damages our vehicles and causes accidents just so long as it saves them a few quid
doing the roads properly.
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[andyscooter]

i just give the roads a miss for a few days

there is always signs saying whats being done
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[doggone]

It's an important maintenance task, which seals any surface cracks and prevents water getting in and creating potholes.

A 'proper' layer of tarmac is not a durable or grippy wearing surface. The tar and grit top layer is only unpleasant to travel on for a couple of days. It is worse if they are trying to do it in hot weather though.

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[Shinigami]

at least they've put something down, we have holes as big as a car on the roads here ...including on the motorways
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[kramdra]

Bleh, I dont like it, but poor obs! Ive hit it several times doing 70mph after forgetting the loose chippings sign.


I will say that the roads they have done this year and last, they are quite nice now the loose grit is mostly gone. They are not falling apart as I expected, after seeing the roads a couple years before.

[The Artist]

I don't know the exact costs involved but surface dressing is going to be an order of magnitude cheaper than fresh tarmac and it isn't that bad. They don't tend to do it on main roads anyway.

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[smithyithy]

Surface dressing is around £8/m2, asphalt (45mm, no binder) is around £50/m2.

Plus if you're inlaying, the old surface has to be planed out.

TM is also cheaper as it can be trafficked sooner.

Yes it's annoying, but it's cheap, and a quick fix.

Also once it's swept, you have a proper grippy surface almost immediately, unlike asphalt that needs the top layer to wear off before the stones are exposed.

Ideally we'd relay all roads with HRA (hot rolled asphalt), that's the older, louder asphalt you find on parts of the motorway, cause it lasts for up to 20 years and is bloody tough, but due to noise and other silly environmental issues we have yo use SMA / thin wearing course now which is the newer asphalt that barely lasts 8 years without peeling apart.

You might be glad to know that the Highways Agency are trying yo reduce the amount of antiskid we use on new schemes now due to the cost and wear of it, instead we're opting for asphalt with a higher PSV (polished stone value) for things like slip roads and approaches to roundabouts etc.

It's a very technical industry and not always a simple case of 'sign this online form to ban a cost-effective road maintenance technique because it's slightly inconvenient' lol

[MarkJ]

A few roads around the Glossop/Snake Pass area were done years ago. The road that connects Woodhead Pass to Glossop was done, and there are a few corners where all the chippings have been taken up by the cars, so you get two shiney tram tracks on some corners with bugger all grip in the wet

It's OK on straights I suppose, but no fun when it's just been laid.

[Rowey]

Aren't they meant to use a roller to embed the chippings in to the tar? A quick sweep after to clear the loose bits, and there'd be no problem.

They're just lazy, or saving money and expect the traffic to do it for them.
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[Pol Anorl]

I was once riding along a country road at about 60 leaning really hard on every corner untill i come round one corner and saw a sign for loose chippings on the road!

That was it, i slowed down and rode over it slowly and didn't die.

the end.
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[chickenstrip]

I don't know enough about surfacing and repair techniques to comment really. It is really annoying when you go to one of your favourite roads only to find this surface dressing has been done, but it does seem to eventually settle into a nice surface. But it takes more than a couple of days I'd say.

But this petition's wording is a bit pathetic. It's just a general uninformed whinge, presents no facts or statistics to show why it shouldn't be used, and doesn't really give any reason for stopping the technique other than " I don't like it! "

[NooBish-AbbZ]

We've had one done near us recently. Avoided it for a week or so and the surface isn't too bad now; still take it a bit easy though.

However, when wanting to overtake, the surface in the middle of the road is still terrible.
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[malteser273]

I think I can see both sides, its cheap, quick and after its settled the roads are usually pretty good.

but it does seem like it takes a couple of weeks for it to get properly swept. Its like they do half a job and expect the rest of us to finish it off for them
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[Islander]

They've just done about a mile of the single track that leads up to our house and it's turned a damaged road with a badly cracked surface with incipient potholes into a decent road again.

Local authority budgets have been cut to the bone - they simply can't afford to plane the old surface on and replace it with new - this method keeps the roads usable and provides decent grip.

I won't be signing what is basically a NIMBY whinge. I like my roads to be maintained thanks.

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[smithyithy]

Again, it's down to cost.. Traffic management makes up a decent bulk of maintenance schemes, they already save by surface dressing in a day or 2 with a partial closure as opposed to a full closure that inlaying usually requires.

And again, part of the saving is that the traffic roll the surface, which saves on time and TM costs. Then they come back and sweep it once, not 5 times. It's a 'bare minimum' treatment, but as mentioned correctly above - any treatment is better than no treatment.

[Islander]