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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Does overly aggressive moderation ruin a forum? Reply with quote

How much moderation is too much?
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say that deleting every single topic as soon as it is posted would be too much.

Outside of that, people tend to vote with their feet. Overly-moderated forums die off, as do under-moderated forums. Which suggests that, like baby bear's porridge, this one is just right.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The amount that stops us from being able to say what we like because it "offends other people"

Funny how a forum can go from being great and then dive bombing to nothing when this kind of moderation is introduced, isn't it?

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PostPosted: 17:31 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off topic! Fetch the Karma Painstick!

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PostPosted: 17:33 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non equal moderation ruins a forum.

Close slagging match against gaming producers.
Keep open a motorcycle dealer bashing thread.

Legit as fuck. Both hurting the dealer/producer yet because its a bike, its kept open. Game was in Geek Zone.. "Get help with IT problems and chat about gaming / tech issues here."

People are getting help with a specific game and chatting about its lack of working.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was once banned from a Wolf ET Clan forum for swearing. The Clan was called Reservoir Dogs Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Does overly aggressive moderation ruin a forum? Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
How much moderation is too much?


Moderation that annoys me is too much. Moderation that doesn't, yet may annoy others, is not too much.

Those are pretty much the rules for everyone and everything, I think.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be no moderation apart from:

Off-topic : mod can move it
Personal information posted about someone : mod can delete it

Anything else, let the karma system do its thing. Perhaps when a post gets a black blob it gets hidden or something, not deleted.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask Hetzer
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was once a member on a forum that was so finger-waggy that they auto corrected swearwords. Arse/ass was always changed to donkey and anything stronger than that got you a warning from a moderator. Too many warnings and every subsequent post would be proof read by a mod or admin before it could be published. It was a yank forum and I lasted a few months before I got utterly fed up with how it was a "family friendly site" which prevented any sort of free thought or expression as we all had to think about the children....

I didn't read the thread in question much beyond the second page as it seemed to be a lot of copy pasta about how the company involved are a bunch of wankbags with a shit product. Was there anything of value in there beyond that? Or was it a different thread?
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Close slagging match against gaming producers.

With the express goal of sticking it to the man, rather than trying to resolve the situation or even discuss it.


Paddy. wrote:
Keep open a motorcycle dealer bashing thread.

A bike thread asking "What do?" in which much interesting discussion was discussed, constructive advice was given, followed, and a happy ending was had by all.

I can see a significant difference.

I'm not necessary agreeing with the lock, mind.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes

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PostPosted: 18:54 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fiat Forum there's an overly moderated forum I'd love to see that one disappear especially as they're using my guides without my consent. Mad
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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Off topic! Fetch the Karma Painstick!

https://thatonestartrek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Worf-with-painstiks.jpg

This too shall pass.


It's not offtopic though, it's random banter, and has been correctly placed in the random banter section. Naturally your incorrect rating will be left in place, since the moderator will disapprove of this thread as they feel it is about the unfair treatment of Hetzer Wink
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Paddy. wrote:
Close slagging match against gaming producers.

With the express goal of sticking it to the man, rather than trying to resolve the situation or even discuss it.


There was and is an on-going attempt at resolution. I posted part of it the other day. Went to post today's update (latest message from 1C) and found it locked because a tit with a personal angst locked it.
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do we need moderation? Karma ratings pretty much tell us how boring, abusive, unacceptable and so on a thread is.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure the thread in question had gotten beyond the point of usefulness, though. I get that Hetzer was pissed about the inconsistencies in a product he'd paid for and the developer's crappy response to that, but using one forum to try and Google bomb another forum is just tedious.

Venting your annoyance at a woeful mishandling of a situation is one thing (and it's one that I entirely stand behind - their approach to Hetzer's complaints was pretty crap), but spamming a thread repeatedly with copypasta is annoying and doesn't really achieve much. The thread that was locked only actually comes up in Google results if you specifically search for the negative terms that he used; if you search for the name of the game, his thread doesn't even make the tenth page of Google.

BCF is not over-moderated in my opinion. I don't like active moderation in particular, but I've not seen anything that's particularly gotten on my nerves from the mods in a long time. Blau's banning was one example, but that was down to Korn, and Blau was doing his damnedest to push for it.

Karma works if it's not used as a punishment, or as a circlejerk tool like it was in the locked thread. It is, however, very easy to abuse.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
I'm pretty sure the thread in question had gotten beyond the point of usefulness, though. I get that Hetzer was pissed about the inconsistencies in a product he'd paid for and the developer's crappy response to that, but using one forum to try and Google bomb another forum is just tedious.

Venting your annoyance at a woeful mishandling of a situation is one thing (and it's one that I entirely stand behind - their approach to Hetzer's complaints was pretty crap), but spamming a thread repeatedly with copypasta is annoying and doesn't really achieve much. The thread that was locked only actually comes up in Google results if you specifically search for the negative terms that he used; if you search for the name of the game, his thread doesn't even make the tenth page of Google.

BCF is not over-moderated in my opinion. I don't like active moderation in particular, but I've not seen anything that's particularly gotten on my nerves from the mods in a long time. Blau's banning was one example, but that was down to Korn, and Blau was doing his damnedest to push for it.

Karma works if it's not used as a punishment, or as a circlejerk tool like it was in the locked thread. It is, however, very easy to abuse.


It's not all the mods though. Stinkwheel in particular, who IIRC is the newest mod, but also the most heavy handed. This is the second time I have seen him act in an uneven handed manner now in a fairly short period of time.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it does ruin a forum, is BCF overly moderated? No
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
Yes it does ruin a forum, is BCF overly moderated? No

Agree.

What IS hilarious though is the reaction and outcry when any moderation is implemented, this thread could fall under that banner Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
but using one forum to try and Google bomb another forum

Agreed, his time would have been better spent bombing on the dedicated sub-reddits.
https://www.reddit.com/r/battleofstalingrad
https://www.reddit.com/r/il2/
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:

Agreed, his time would have been better spent bombing on the dedicated sub-reddits.
https://www.reddit.com/r/battleofstalingrad
https://www.reddit.com/r/il2/


Or perhaps trying something productive instead
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:

Or perhaps trying something productive instead


Sometimes (read "often") trying to do something productive results in whatever organisation putting it's fingers in it's ears, shouting LA LA LA, and excluding the critic from all communication. That then leads to the critic getting mighty annoyed and doing something obviously less sensible (especially if said critic is a paying customer).

I know I've ended up taking a less sensible path, and I guarantee that you also are more than capable of doing so.

IMO closing the thread was unnecessary, it would have died off quite soon anyway. It looks (IMO) like the fit the karma system had was the biggest problem, and every thread on here has the potential to cause another fit in that system.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
nowhere.elysium wrote:
but using one forum to try and Google bomb another forum

Agreed, his time would have been better spent bombing on the dedicated sub-reddits.
https://www.reddit.com/r/battleofstalingrad
https://www.reddit.com/r/il2/


Reddit. A place to discuss those controversial topics that can't be discussed elsewhere. A place that has got the guiding hand of moderation just about right

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PostPosted: 21:05 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original Rage Against the Machine forum was very lacks when it came to moderation. Until the secret service had it closed down. Allegedly.
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