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azra3l
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: yet another "what bike?" Updated... Reply with quote
3 minors on mod one, and 7 on mod 2..

i have about 850 quid + insurance money for a winter hack that isnt going to try and kill me when it gets a little damp under the rubber..

continuing to ride my 125 through the winter isnt really an option due to insurance and some other reasons that would end up costing me more than i would manage to save.

dont really like the riding position for sports bikes, but i understand that at that price range, beggars cant be choosers.

I'd /like/ shaft, but only because i am really lazy about chain maintenance. and if anyone posts any ebay links etc then bare in mind I don't drive so in an ideal world it would be somewhere that i can get to fairly easily from north london/herts.

Thanks in advance for the suggestions and abuse Very Happy

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PostPosted: 23:25 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
XJ900, and I wouldn't go admitting you like 'shaft' around these parts...
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Congrats on the pass! As for recommending a bike, I'll leave that to the experience members.
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Congratulations on passing, great feeling it is to get it out the way finally. But yeah can't recommend anything yet, only owned a 125 my self so far Razz Hope you make the right choice n all that Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 06:53 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
CB500/GPZ500/ER5/GS500/

Not shaft but all 3 are cheap to buy/run/insure and your budget should buy a decent if maybe a little cosmetically challenged one.

Or go nuts and buy a ZZR600 you could afford one.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
First up - well done Smile

wr6133 wrote:
CB500/GPZ500/ER5/GS500/

Not shaft but all 3 are cheap to buy/run/insure and your budget should buy a decent if maybe a little cosmetically challenged one.


I'd agree with this. Find the best condition of any and buy it. Get a winter under your belt and re-assess next year when you have more experience and, crucially, more money.

Not a lot of shaft drive bikes at that sort of money IMO.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wouldn't limit your options to shaft drive. Cleaning the chain takes me about 5 minutes every month, and I just spray it with chain lube once a week when it's up on the centre stand. Easy.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
thanks for the suggestions..

I was trying to avoid a bandit. not sure why, but i /really/ don't like them for some reason. but compared to some of the utter fucking sheds on my local gumtree, it might be the only option :/
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hmmm. I would speculate that £850 isn't going to buy a bike that's great for a first time rider getting into the world of big bikes, unless you're incredibly lucky.

I'm far away from being an expert, but as a new rider you want to make it easy on yourself, with a bike that'll take care of you and ease you into things. Riding bikes is hard, don't make it harder by getting a poor condition old beater that may have several gremlins lurking underneath the surface, get a nice one that'll cost a little more but be rugged, reliable and (hopefully) fairly good to look at.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
I enjoyed my GPZ but it took just 6 months to get bored of

Paid 800 - sold for about the same
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ridelikeasaint, while i agree with you, circumstances mean that the budget is what it is. my school had 5 year old er6n's as the training bike, not exactly a 'busa but certainly no slouch compared to some of the test bikes I've seen out on the roads. Also, I am not exactly a new rider, I put nearly 20 thousand miles under my belt on my CBT, its not like fluked my DAS and am going to go buy an R1 with 50 miles to my name.

I've no idea why, but i am weirdly tempted by this..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-800-V-twin-custom-project-MOT-goes-great-/291241459674?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item43cf57ffda&autorefresh=true
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
azra3l wrote:
ridelikeasaint, while i agree with you, circumstances mean that the budget is what it is. my school had 5 year old er6n's as the training bike, not exactly a 'busa but certainly no slouch compared to some of the test bikes I've seen out on the roads.


It's "rideslikeanob", for some reason the forum changed it back to ridelikeasaint but I'm really more of a nob so... Wink

ER-6's are good bikes, from what I know. Did some of my training (and my inaugural "I've passed my MOD2, yay!" ride back from the test centre) on an ER-5 and thought it was a good runaround, single disc brake on front was not enough stopping power for my liking though.

azra3l wrote:
Also, I am not exactly a new rider, I put nearly 20 thousand miles under my belt on my CBT, its not like fluked my DAS and am going to go buy an R1 with 50 miles to my name.


Well that's good, because you wouldn't want to go out with two months experience and buy a thou like some idiot not a hundred miles away from here did...

azra3l wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-800-V-twin-custom-project-MOT-goes-great-/291241459674?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item43cf57ffda&autorefresh=true


It needs a bath but if the seller is telling the truth that's about all it would need, at first. Not big on naked bikes myself but I like the look of that one...
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
azra3l wrote:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-800-V-twin-custom-project-MOT-goes-great-/291241459674?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item43cf57ffda&autorefresh=true


That would not be a good idea for 1st bike. Unless you are heavily in to mechanics and don't care if you often don't make it to the end of a journey.

Despite what clueless cunt up above says, £850 is plenty to buy a reliable mechanically sound bike. My last 4 bikes have all cost ALOT less than that.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
apparently the pc800 thats based on can get stator issues at about the kind of mileage its at.. not sure how hard/pricey a new one would be to sort. I've just bid him 750. see what happens i guess.

this is quite tempting as well...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201408317006488/sort/recpriceascdefault/cc-from/400cc/price-to/1000/usedbikes/radius/30/page/1/postcode/al21qj?logcode=p

weirdly, the first bike is 20 quid more to insure.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
wr6133 wrote:

That would not be a good idea for 1st bike. Unless you are heavily in to mechanics and don't care if you often don't make it to the end of a journey.

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how so? its based on a pacific coast, from what i understand, they are pretty hard to kill.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
wr6133 wrote:
Despite what clueless cunt up above says, £850 is plenty to buy a reliable mechanically sound bike.


Yeah I'm sure it is... IF you know exactly where to look and exactly what you're looking for in terms of potential faults etc, obvious things to an experienced rider with good understanding of bikes but not so much to beginners. I'm giving him advice as a new rider in a similar position, not sure exactly how that makes me a clueless cunt especially when I'm prefacing my observations with obvious qualifiers like "I would speculate that" and "I'm far away from being an expert", but you carry on.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
azra3l wrote:

how so? its based on a pacific coast, from what i understand, they are pretty hard to kill.


Look at it. The guy has bodged a random assortment of odds and sods together and called it a custom. It's not a custom it's a bloody mess.

Google PC800 to see what a PC800 looks like then you'll realise what a mobile shitter that is.

The GSXf in your second link is a much more sensible 1st bike.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
hmm. possibly, but i kinda like the bodged together look *grin*

i do like that suzi though. but i am not so sure i want an outright sports bike as a daily ride. my 125 was a cruiser, and after 2 or 3 hours on the er6n during my DAS my wrists could really feel the years and years of typing and videogames they have suffered..
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ridelikeasaint wrote:
I'm giving him advice as a new rider in a similar position, not sure exactly how that makes me a clueless cunt especially when I'm prefacing my observations with obvious qualifiers like "I would speculate that" and "I'm far away from being an expert", but you carry on.


Because you make statements like this

ridelikeasaint wrote:

It needs a bath but if the seller is telling the truth that's about all it would need, at first. Not big on naked bikes myself but I like the look of that one...


PC800 is not meant to be a naked bike.... it's a random collection of parts in that link

or this


ridelikeasaint wrote:
ER-6's are good bikes, from what I know. Did some of my training (and my inaugural "I've passed my MOD2, yay!" ride back from the test centre) on an ER-5 and thought it was a good runaround, single disc brake on front was not enough stopping power for my liking though.


You know an ER6 is not related to an ER5? So basing your view on an ER6 on your experience with an ER5 is like saying you like being buggered because you once did a chick up the arse.

or this

ridelikeasaint wrote:
Hmmm. I would speculate that £850 isn't going to buy a bike that's great for a first time rider getting into the world of big bikes, unless you're incredibly lucky.


Just because you were dopey enough to buy an utter turd that you were then too idle/dumb/whatever to put a bit of work in to sorting doesn't mean everyone needs to shit a few grand on finance to buy a 1st bike. A lot of people buy sub £1k bikes as their first and do fine.

So I'll stick with clueless cunt
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
azra3l wrote:
hmm. possibly, but i kinda like the bodged together look *grin*

i do like that suzi though. but i am not so sure i want an outright sports bike as a daily ride. my 125 was a cruiser, and after 2 or 3 hours on the er6n during my DAS my wrists could really feel the years and years of typing and videogames they have suffered..


It's technique. I recently made the switch to sports tourer (zzr) and had that issue at first because I was trying to sit up too much and not gripping with my knees enough.

The Suzuki is not a super sport it's a sports tourer (as are the VFR and ZZR I mentioned).
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
wr6133 wrote:
Just because you were dopey enough to buy an utter turd that you were then too idle/dumb/whatever to put a bit of work in to sorting doesn't mean everyone needs to shit a few grand on finance to buy a 1st bike. A lot of people buy sub £1k bikes as their first and do fine.

So I'll stick with clueless cunt


And I'll go with tactless twat for you, I think. You could have made the same point without derailing the thread and trolling. You're not just being harsh with me, you're being a bit harsh with the OP as well, I might deserve a bit of it but he seems like he doesn't.

By the way you contradicted yourself there... if that old Ace was "an utter turd" then surely putting "a bit of work in to sorting" would just be turd polishing, basically pointless am I right?

And where are these "lot of people" buying bikes under a grand and doing fine, do they post a lot on BCF, are there threads of them mentioning them? Help me out here. I'm clueless, I need assistance! I'm drowning in a sea of ignorance and it's painful! Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ridelikeasaint wrote:
being a bit harsh with the OP as well, I might deserve a bit of it but he seems like he doesn't.


don't mind me, I've lurked here long enough to know you are all cunts. x
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
azra3l wrote:
ridelikeasaint wrote:
being a bit harsh with the OP as well, I might deserve a bit of it but he seems like he doesn't.


don't mind me, I've lurked here long enough to know you are all cunts. x


I think considering the circumstances that's the best possible answer Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 12 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
there are loads of really nice bikes on ebay that are all 200 miles away from rural herts..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Motorcycle-VFR-750-F-/271601119952?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item3f3cb032d0

this is bloody lovely. but it may as well be for sale on the moon.
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