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andyscooter
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PostPosted: 06:55 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: red star equity (rant) Reply with quote

has any one ever had a smooth claim with them

phoned them to sort bike out as i pretty sure its a write off

they told me i need to phone other persons insurer

i have a letter stating im not allowed to contact the other person or their insurer off my solicitor

so i call my broker who say dont worry we will sort it

week later still nothing about the bike

phone broker who insist they sorted it

phone red star again who have stopped my claim as its non fault and needs to be done by the others insurance Twisted Evil

they then gave me the phone number and hung up Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

so im phoning again this morning to try and sort it wish me luck
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PostPosted: 07:03 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I call the people dealing with my claim, usually my insurer. I call them twice daily.

They will want to get it done otherwise they get your calls consistently.

Alternatively head off to some sketchy accident management company. Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:23 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What level of cover do you have?

It's Equity Red Star by the way
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are only 3rd party, your insurer will not be interested.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im fully comp
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used them for my first bike, I sold it after a few months and bought another which they wouldn't insure unless I paid them a lot more. I cancelled the policy and was told I would get a refund as I had paid the year in full when I took the policy out. A week later I got a letter through saying that my policy was cancelled and the cancellation fee was oddly the exact same amount as the refund I was due to receive.

Still not as bad as another company who sent me someone else's documents for a transit van instead of my policy. I have no idea who they sent mine to.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I claimed for a non fault RTC, I spoke to my insurer (broker) who sorted it out with only one visit from myself (their shop was at the bottom of my road). They sent an evaluator out to look at the damaged bike within a day or two and gave the shop the go ahead to carry out the work and order parts. My insurance (fully comp.) paid out initially and recouped the cost from the other sides insurance, along with re-instating my no claims bonus.

I have claimed twice with them (both non fault) and this is how it worked both times, with the only difference being that the first bike was written off but, they paid up in around a week to 10 days.

My broker was Kestrel (IOM based company) and the insurer was Hiscox. Can't fault either of them. They even swapped my insurance over to my new bike, after the first was written off, without any "admin" fees and also insured it for over a grand more without any increase in premium.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if its not your fault, then your insurer has nothing to do with it unless they are processing the claim against the other company's insurer on your behalf - but you said that you have a solicitor, so...

The person you need to be keeping on top of is your solicitor, or go to a well known accident management company (BLD and sorrymate come to mind). When BLD sorted out my claim, I got a free hire bike.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigDan1190 wrote:
Well, if its not your fault, then your insurer has nothing to do with it unless they are processing the claim against the other company's insurer on your behalf - but you said that you have a solicitor, so...


Sorry, but not correct in the slightest.

If he has fully comprehensive cover then he's perfectly entitled to claim for the damage to material property insured (ie his bike, potentially leathers depending on the depth of the cover) from his own insurance company; they are liable, that's the cover he paid for. What they do in respect of subrogation of their losses is entirely up to them. He is only then responsible for his excess, which he can recover along with any uninsured losses (potentially leathers depending on above, definitely loss of earnings / transport costs, and personal injury) via the solicitor he has involved.

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The person you need to be keeping on top of is your solicitor, or go to a well known accident management company (BLD and sorrymate come to mind). When BLD sorted out my claim, I got a free hire bike.


That hire bike wasn't entirely free - someone paid a shed load of money for it (it was the third party insurers, by the way). You may not have paid for it directly, but that sort of practice is why the average motor claim cost is now in the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds (exaggerating but still...).

He needs only keep on top of the solicitor in respect of his uninsured loss recovery. What he needs to do now is go back to ERS and state categorically that he is claiming for the damage to his bike under his own policy, and that they need to arrange for them to inspect / repair, or write off.

The only exception to this is if in the circumstances the cost of the damage to the bike will fall beneath the policy excess.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's non-fault, personally I'd go through the other person's insurance as much as possible anyway - with fully comp they may have it as a claim against you until they recover costs from the other person's insurance.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never had a prob with them when I smashed my z750 into 5 million pieces
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever you do, start heading everything clearly as "COMPLAINT" or getting a complain reference number. Keep a list of your consequential costs.

I suspect that ERS are bargain basement underwriters for a reason.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why have you got a solicitor involved? Maybe you should give us the full story from the beginning...
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was with them when I had my accident. You claim on your policy if you are fully comp to get bike repaired / written off.

All my dealings were with my insurer, once liability got established to the 3rd party, they claimed all the money back from his insurers plus my excess.

The whole process was pretty quick and much less hassle than I thought.

I used White Dalton for my injury claim also.

If you are fully comp, you deal with them and them only. I wouldn't engage in any conversation with the other side or his insurer at all.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: red star equity (rant) Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
Red Star rage


When my CBR was nicked a few years back, my broker was shit so i bypassed them and went direct to red star to sort it out.

They weren't shit, but they weren't amazing either.

I was phoning the police to see if forensics had finished dusting it for prints and checking for gunpowder residue.

Took about a week to get my bike back after the popo had finished pissing about with it.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
That hire bike wasn't entirely free - someone paid a shed load of money for it (it was the third party insurers, by the way). You may not have paid for it directly, but that sort of practice is why the average motor claim cost is now in the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds (exaggerating but still...).


Erm, I was left without transport because someone crashed into me. Should I have been a martyr and got the bus?

arry wrote:
What he needs to do now is go back to ERS and state categorically that he is claiming for the damage to his bike under his own policy, and that they need to arrange for them to inspect / repair, or write off.

The only exception to this is if in the circumstances the cost of the damage to the bike will fall beneath the policy excess.


Well, yeah he should go back to ERS - IF he wants to pay an excess, and in the off-chance that the claim doesn't get settled quickly from the other insurance, lose his no claims bonus for his next insurance renewal.


EDIT - Also, this;

G wrote:
If it's non-fault, personally I'd go through the other person's insurance as much as possible anyway - with fully comp they may have it as a claim against you until they recover costs from the other person's insurance.
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 14 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi - sorry that I appear to have irked you somewhat; that wasn't intentional, and I did start by saying 'sorry'.... but

BigDan1190 wrote:

Erm, I was left without transport because someone crashed into me. Should I have been a martyr and got the bus?


You'll notice at no point did I suggest you were to do anything different; I merely expanded upon your use of the word 'free' for the benefit of others that may think that a hire bike comes as a gift from Santa whenever they have an accident.

What you take from others and how you justify or rationalise it is entirely your business, not mine.

BigDan1190 wrote:

Well, yeah he should go back to ERS - IF he wants to pay an excess,


Let's be clear. What you mean, presumably, is pay an excess and then have to recover it from the third party insurers? Because that's what his solicitor is in the mix for already - to recover his uninsured losses, part of which is his excess. And if we go further on this, there's a good chance of the TPI paying the excess directly to the motor repairers once liability has been fully admitted - it's more common now than you think, mainly because solicitors charge twice the excess to write a letter to try to reclaim the very same, so it's much cheaper for the TPI to jump in there early.

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and in the off-chance that the claim doesn't get settled quickly from the other insurance, lose his no claims bonus for his next insurance renewal.


Let's be clear again. Settled quickly is a bit irrelevant - liability determined is the key. It's a long held myth that his insurer would need to have complete subrogation in order to 'settle' the claim and release the bonus but actually it's only an admission of 100% liability that's required from the TPI. That should take a matter of days, not months, not years. If it takes any longer than that and liability is disputed his NCD is 'lost' anyway (lost in those funny little marks because let's move onto that) because if liability is disputed then ERS will hold open a claims reserve in case of a counter claim from the TP. It may also be that he's got 8 months left to run on his policy so it may well be a moot point, but we don't know that.

He's not going to 'lose' his no claims bonus - it won't disappear off behind the sofa never to be seen again. It's held in abeyance until liability is no longer in dispute (see above). Going further it may well only be stepped back, rather than 'lost' - we don't know how many years bonus he's currently holding.


BigDan1190 wrote:
EDIT - Also, this;

G wrote:
If it's non-fault, personally I'd go through the other person's insurance as much as possible anyway - with fully comp they may have it as a claim against you until they recover costs from the other person's insurance.


Which is incorrect, as already stated.
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 14 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
Im fully comp


So you ring them and give them enough details as far as they know who you are and why they are calling and then as "Rogerborg" said..

You say I'm Fully Comp. You are my insurer. If you are refusing to deal with my claim. I want to raise a complaint.
They then have 8 weeks to resolve this or you have a right to take it to FOS.

But.....

Why are we hearing about solicitors?
This should all have been dealt with by phoning your brokers claim line.

WHAT are we not being told.......
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 14 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:

Which is incorrect, as already stated.

Ok, I should have worded it as 'until they have agreed on liability' - I presume that's your issue?

I was considering a case where they were arguing over liability - or worse, agreeing a split the OP disagreed with.
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 14 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, G. I was splitting hairs a little I'll grant.

The long and short is that going direct to TPI and claiming from them is one valid route, and going to his own insurer is another. Which is 'right' entirely depends on circumstances, the full details of which we don't know - so I was correcting some of the assumptions / general misconceptions made in Dan's posts.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 14 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As stated above am fully comp am claiming off my insurance for bike and they are reclaiming the losses off the tpi

Solicitors involved are a claim company for compensation and loss of earnings


Police report says car at fault for pulling out blindly from behind a van


Just spent two hours filling forms out most of them asking same question in different words

Still don'tknow when bikes being collected to be aassets but I'm guessing write off as

Forks bent back and to one side ,screen smashed handlebars bent seat snapped off every panel damaged airbox snapped off and both mirrors FUBAR

But good news rear tyres good (fitted on day of accident) and its still better then bodyguards honda
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 14 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Indeed, G. I was splitting hairs a little I'll grant.

The long and short is that going direct to TPI and claiming from them is one valid route, and going to his own insurer is another. Which is 'right' entirely depends on circumstances, the full details of which we don't know - so I was correcting some of the assumptions / general misconceptions made in Dan's posts.


Agreed, they are both valid routes, but one has more risks to OP than the other in my eyes.

I'm currently in a situation where some cunt turned into my path (nearly 2 years ago) and admitted fault at the scene, then told his insurers a different story, and I'm sat here whilst they argue it out with 0 NCB and some rather expensive insurance premiums. I had to sell my Sprint ST because it was expensive to insure (gutted). In the mean time, neither insurance company are making any headway and I'm yet to see the end of it in the near future. I would hate similar to happen to the OP if he claims on his own policy, then the other insurers turn around and be cunts about it, then has suspended NCB for his next renewal.

Sorry if my response seemed heated towards you arry, it really wasn't! Cheers,
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 14 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigDan1190 wrote:

Agreed, they are both valid routes, but one has more risks to OP than the other in my eyes.

I'm currently in a situation where some cunt turned into my path (nearly 2 years ago) and admitted fault at the scene, then told his insurers a different story, and I'm sat here whilst they argue it out with 0 NCB and some rather expensive insurance premiums. I had to sell my Sprint ST because it was expensive to insure (gutted). In the mean time, neither insurance company are making any headway and I'm yet to see the end of it in the near future. I would hate similar to happen to the OP if he claims on his own policy, then the other insurers turn around and be cunts about it, then has suspended NCB for his next renewal.

Sorry if my response seemed heated towards you arry, it really wasn't! Cheers,
Dan


Fair play fella Thumbs Up

Yup, there's risks both ways. To clarify your point though, technically regardless of whether he claims from his own policy or otherwise, he has to inform the insurer that the incident is ongoing and liability is disputed, so NCD would be held in abeyance anyway.

My general rule of thumb is if you've got FC cover and want your bike back quickly, use the cover you paid for and let your insurer wrangle it out with the exception of any uninsured losses which you deal with via the TPI, solicitor involved or otherwise. If you're TPFT or TPO then try your best to deal directly with the TPI first and foremost and, if they turn out to be amenable and admit liability early and start off on the right foot by getting your bike recovered, fixed at an approved dealer, courtesy bike etc, then that's all gravy and you've not racked up an accident management company bill to do so. Last resort is Accident Management Co as, IMO, they're nothing but leeches who are ramping up the claim costs for no good reason - to give you an example; a friend of mine went through one that sent a bill to the TPI for hire car costs in excess of £250 a day, when he could have gone to just about any car rental company and got the same for less than £70.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 14 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luckily for me police attended and investigated saying blame was on the car but I could be more careful
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