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 andyscooter World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 06:55 - 13 Sep 2014 Post subject: red star equity (rant) |
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has any one ever had a smooth claim with them
phoned them to sort bike out as i pretty sure its a write off
they told me i need to phone other persons insurer
i have a letter stating im not allowed to contact the other person or their insurer off my solicitor
so i call my broker who say dont worry we will sort it
week later still nothing about the bike
phone broker who insist they sorted it
phone red star again who have stopped my claim as its non fault and needs to be done by the others insurance
they then gave me the phone number and hung up
so im phoning again this morning to try and sort it wish me luck ____________________ gilera runner vxr200 (chavped)
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I call the people dealing with my claim, usually my insurer. I call them twice daily.
They will want to get it done otherwise they get your calls consistently.
Alternatively head off to some sketchy accident management company.  |
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| BigDan1190 wrote: | Well, if its not your fault, then your insurer has nothing to do with it unless they are processing the claim against the other company's insurer on your behalf - but you said that you have a solicitor, so... |
Sorry, but not correct in the slightest.
If he has fully comprehensive cover then he's perfectly entitled to claim for the damage to material property insured (ie his bike, potentially leathers depending on the depth of the cover) from his own insurance company; they are liable, that's the cover he paid for. What they do in respect of subrogation of their losses is entirely up to them. He is only then responsible for his excess, which he can recover along with any uninsured losses (potentially leathers depending on above, definitely loss of earnings / transport costs, and personal injury) via the solicitor he has involved.
| Quote: | The person you need to be keeping on top of is your solicitor, or go to a well known accident management company (BLD and sorrymate come to mind). When BLD sorted out my claim, I got a free hire bike. |
That hire bike wasn't entirely free - someone paid a shed load of money for it (it was the third party insurers, by the way). You may not have paid for it directly, but that sort of practice is why the average motor claim cost is now in the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds (exaggerating but still...).
He needs only keep on top of the solicitor in respect of his uninsured loss recovery. What he needs to do now is go back to ERS and state categorically that he is claiming for the damage to his bike under his own policy, and that they need to arrange for them to inspect / repair, or write off.
The only exception to this is if in the circumstances the cost of the damage to the bike will fall beneath the policy excess. |
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Whatever you do, start heading everything clearly as "COMPLAINT" or getting a complain reference number. Keep a list of your consequential costs.
I suspect that ERS are bargain basement underwriters for a reason. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| arry wrote: | That hire bike wasn't entirely free - someone paid a shed load of money for it (it was the third party insurers, by the way). You may not have paid for it directly, but that sort of practice is why the average motor claim cost is now in the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds (exaggerating but still...). |
Erm, I was left without transport because someone crashed into me. Should I have been a martyr and got the bus?
| arry wrote: | What he needs to do now is go back to ERS and state categorically that he is claiming for the damage to his bike under his own policy, and that they need to arrange for them to inspect / repair, or write off.
The only exception to this is if in the circumstances the cost of the damage to the bike will fall beneath the policy excess. |
Well, yeah he should go back to ERS - IF he wants to pay an excess, and in the off-chance that the claim doesn't get settled quickly from the other insurance, lose his no claims bonus for his next insurance renewal.
EDIT - Also, this;
| G wrote: | If it's non-fault, personally I'd go through the other person's insurance as much as possible anyway - with fully comp they may have it as a claim against you until they recover costs from the other person's insurance. |
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Hi - sorry that I appear to have irked you somewhat; that wasn't intentional, and I did start by saying 'sorry'.... but
| BigDan1190 wrote: |
Erm, I was left without transport because someone crashed into me. Should I have been a martyr and got the bus? |
You'll notice at no point did I suggest you were to do anything different; I merely expanded upon your use of the word 'free' for the benefit of others that may think that a hire bike comes as a gift from Santa whenever they have an accident.
What you take from others and how you justify or rationalise it is entirely your business, not mine.
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Well, yeah he should go back to ERS - IF he wants to pay an excess, |
Let's be clear. What you mean, presumably, is pay an excess and then have to recover it from the third party insurers? Because that's what his solicitor is in the mix for already - to recover his uninsured losses, part of which is his excess. And if we go further on this, there's a good chance of the TPI paying the excess directly to the motor repairers once liability has been fully admitted - it's more common now than you think, mainly because solicitors charge twice the excess to write a letter to try to reclaim the very same, so it's much cheaper for the TPI to jump in there early.
| BigDan1190 wrote: | and in the off-chance that the claim doesn't get settled quickly from the other insurance, lose his no claims bonus for his next insurance renewal. |
Let's be clear again. Settled quickly is a bit irrelevant - liability determined is the key. It's a long held myth that his insurer would need to have complete subrogation in order to 'settle' the claim and release the bonus but actually it's only an admission of 100% liability that's required from the TPI. That should take a matter of days, not months, not years. If it takes any longer than that and liability is disputed his NCD is 'lost' anyway (lost in those funny little marks because let's move onto that) because if liability is disputed then ERS will hold open a claims reserve in case of a counter claim from the TP. It may also be that he's got 8 months left to run on his policy so it may well be a moot point, but we don't know that.
He's not going to 'lose' his no claims bonus - it won't disappear off behind the sofa never to be seen again. It's held in abeyance until liability is no longer in dispute (see above). Going further it may well only be stepped back, rather than 'lost' - we don't know how many years bonus he's currently holding.
| BigDan1190 wrote: | EDIT - Also, this;
| G wrote: | If it's non-fault, personally I'd go through the other person's insurance as much as possible anyway - with fully comp they may have it as a claim against you until they recover costs from the other person's insurance. |
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Which is incorrect, as already stated. |
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| arry wrote: | Indeed, G. I was splitting hairs a little I'll grant.
The long and short is that going direct to TPI and claiming from them is one valid route, and going to his own insurer is another. Which is 'right' entirely depends on circumstances, the full details of which we don't know - so I was correcting some of the assumptions / general misconceptions made in Dan's posts. |
Agreed, they are both valid routes, but one has more risks to OP than the other in my eyes.
I'm currently in a situation where some cunt turned into my path (nearly 2 years ago) and admitted fault at the scene, then told his insurers a different story, and I'm sat here whilst they argue it out with 0 NCB and some rather expensive insurance premiums. I had to sell my Sprint ST because it was expensive to insure (gutted). In the mean time, neither insurance company are making any headway and I'm yet to see the end of it in the near future. I would hate similar to happen to the OP if he claims on his own policy, then the other insurers turn around and be cunts about it, then has suspended NCB for his next renewal.
Sorry if my response seemed heated towards you arry, it really wasn't! Cheers,
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| BigDan1190 wrote: |
Agreed, they are both valid routes, but one has more risks to OP than the other in my eyes.
I'm currently in a situation where some cunt turned into my path (nearly 2 years ago) and admitted fault at the scene, then told his insurers a different story, and I'm sat here whilst they argue it out with 0 NCB and some rather expensive insurance premiums. I had to sell my Sprint ST because it was expensive to insure (gutted). In the mean time, neither insurance company are making any headway and I'm yet to see the end of it in the near future. I would hate similar to happen to the OP if he claims on his own policy, then the other insurers turn around and be cunts about it, then has suspended NCB for his next renewal.
Sorry if my response seemed heated towards you arry, it really wasn't! Cheers,
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Fair play fella
Yup, there's risks both ways. To clarify your point though, technically regardless of whether he claims from his own policy or otherwise, he has to inform the insurer that the incident is ongoing and liability is disputed, so NCD would be held in abeyance anyway.
My general rule of thumb is if you've got FC cover and want your bike back quickly, use the cover you paid for and let your insurer wrangle it out with the exception of any uninsured losses which you deal with via the TPI, solicitor involved or otherwise. If you're TPFT or TPO then try your best to deal directly with the TPI first and foremost and, if they turn out to be amenable and admit liability early and start off on the right foot by getting your bike recovered, fixed at an approved dealer, courtesy bike etc, then that's all gravy and you've not racked up an accident management company bill to do so. Last resort is Accident Management Co as, IMO, they're nothing but leeches who are ramping up the claim costs for no good reason - to give you an example; a friend of mine went through one that sent a bill to the TPI for hire car costs in excess of £250 a day, when he could have gone to just about any car rental company and got the same for less than £70. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 138 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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