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| drbaig wrote: | I had a mixed experience when it comes to the DAS itself.
Most of the riding is done on the road, therefore I find certain parts of mod 1 pointless. I knew from the beginning I wouldn't find mod 1 difficult so I never put too much stress on it. I wanted more road experience as I had not ridden a bike on the roads before. Maybe that's why I messed mod 2.
Apparently a lot of people fail mod 1 therefore a considerable amount of emphasis was placed on the training by the school. I spent quite a lengthy amount of time practising the manoeuvres and passed it the first time without any minors. Good enough. However I was very confident and found it easy.
Mod 2 on the other hand. I spend maybe 6 hours on the road riding the bike. Which definitely wasn't enough. Or was enough but as I had already made up my mind that this was the harder of the two tests maybe I over hyped it, so messed that up. Passed it eventually but didn't feel like I was a good motorcyclist. Felt more of a relief that I had passed.
I think this certain feeling I have about the school is also because I had a fantastic driving instructor who made me drive everywhere and made me do all sorts of things to improve road confidence and my driving skill. I never once thought I was going to mess up my driving test, and passed with 2 minors. All my siblings have passed their car tests first time with the same instructor as well. So I think I may be went with a high standard of instruction in mind.
But nevertheless, I have a full bike license and now I ride a bike so all is well. |
Yeah I found the MOD1 really difficult because it's stuff that typically isn't done on the road, really who does figure 8s out there? It's not pointless though, it's all to prove to the instructors that you can handle the bike competently no matter what, and I will say it made me a better rider in general.
MOD2 was a lot easier, by the time I got to it I had 7K+ road experience miles and thanks to my instructors pulling out all my bad habits and making me more aware of what I could do better I passed first time with four minors, I still can't quite believe it.
So in a way I can see why the school would focus on MOD1 more. Having a couple of full days riding a 600cc bike really helped though, they are very different from a 125, the mistakes you can make and get away with on a tiddler you could easily end up in a snotty heap with on a bigger bike. I was really careful with the throttle, you can't just crank it fully open all the time, it has to be controlled unless you want to wheelie. ____________________ .
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2013 Yamaha YBR-125ED -> 1997 Yamaha YZF-1000R Thunderace -> 2009 Yamaha XJ-6 Diversion -> 2007 Yamaha FZ6 Fazer S2 |
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| Skudd wrote: |
I gave a full hour for an hours pay, doesn't mean driving for an hour though, sometimes the driving was only half the lesson as going through what was needed was more important. But yes I agree that there are some who say a day and only give half that time. If that is the case and you raised the issue without anything being resolved then do post up your experience as factually as you can. |
Good point. I raised this in person. I was told to write a letter to the head office which was in Rayne even though the guy was standing in front of me and wouldnt take the letter (the CEO, Steve). Anyway, he did respond (in person) and just what he said when I asked him before. About petrol, he states that other schools don't charge as they do less time whereas we let you put in petrol and ride however long. About day shortages, he said that due to test times and getting to tests, the timing has to be limited and we stop regularly due to their experience of students fatigue. About instruction, like you said, everyone has their style which may/may not suit all. And he lets us take this on independently and gives less of this. About a days road ride. We limit this to 3/4 of a day of 8am-4pm which is (which makes this 6 hours including 2 hours of instruction. So 4 hours of road ride. He said hes sorry if I felt instruction wasnt given (none at all, only when asked) and the required 4 hours of riding was not received.
Anyway he just found ways to justify. He did tell me "6 hours road ride" though when i booked which wasn't received. But it's not just me, everyone who needed the training i met there was pissed. Only the guys who didn't care and just wanted to do their test didn't bother saying anything. they just want their test out the way as they were experienced from before. ____________________ NuBiker2014 |
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| ridelikeasaint wrote: |
Yeah I found the MOD1 really difficult because it's stuff that typically isn't done on the road, really who does figure 8s out there? It's not pointless though, it's all to prove to the instructors that you can handle the bike competently no matter what, and I will say it made me a better rider in general.
MOD2 was a lot easier, by the time I got to it I had 7K+ road experience miles and thanks to my instructors pulling out all my bad habits and making me more aware of what I could do better I passed first time with four minors, I still can't quite believe it |
Mod 1 is IMO pointless. The only exercises relevant to the road are the emergency stop, and hazard avoidance, which if you've ridden on a CBT and survived you're probably quite proficient at.
I feel for people (particularly women) when they fail multiple times. Being lighter (saying this as a skinny mother f**ker) doesn't mean you can't ride a big bike, just that you struggle maneuvering a big heavy Bandit (for example) at 5mph.
Not being arrogant, but my DAS didn't teach me anything. Only thing I really took from it was feedback the examiner gave me about my riding, which apart from being a bit of a killjoy, was really helpful as it was basically yes you passed but these are areas you can work on. ____________________ Yamaha MT-03 '08 (crashed)
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| WD Forte wrote: | Got my license well before all this CBT/DAS stuff but used to be
a driving instructor ( car) in London and took an interest in my lads
training when he did his CBT and later, full license test.
His training did seem to have some questionable aspects at times but he passed so
it ended happily.
That schools and instuctors can vary in quality doesn't surprise me.
My own experiences of West London driving schools could fill pages
so would suggest anyone wanting training does a bit of research prior to coughing up the dosh
Dont just believe the hype on web pages!
Google it for reviews, take a look at the place, try and talk to happy/unhappy customers if possible etc.
I visited the place my boy went to, had a look at the bikes, premises and chatted to them beforehand
on their methods and techniques.
It can be 'challenging' being an instructor and we all have off days.
They were happy to admit this and we swapped tales of pupils from hell.
Not everyone take to it like a fish to water and hearing my boy had been bollocked few times
didn't upset me and as I said he passed without retakes. |
Good advice. I did most of that, I visited, saw and spoke. Never saw any customers at that time though. The chief guy i mentioned took time to explain the course and 'hooked' me in and did seem genuine. It was only when the money had to be handed over in full on the first day and during day 1 did I realise it was all a guise.
yeah i remember my driving lessons 12 years ago. was all good exp. you can simply not book them again if your paying by lesson. most of the people i know didnt have an issues. My first instructor was annoyed and kept shouting/raising his voice at me. I gave him a good earful boloking, was 17 then, young, told him im gona ram my fist down his throat... ____________________ NuBiker2014 |
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I've been riding bicycles since I was barely walking and I still do regularly. So my bike handling skills are pretty good. Rode my first motorbike at 12 when I could barely touch the ground with both feet. But stopped as the parents had a car that could be driven. Anyway.
I just found the mod 1 a completely pointless exercise and preferred that time to have been spent on the road. But to be honest the training school made it harder than the actual mod 1 test. the cones were closer, less space for the manoeuvres.
The slalom is useless, figure of eight is kind of an okay manoeuvre but then why do the U turn. Slow speed I could do in my sleep. The emergency braking is the only part of the test I agree with. The avoidance is not useful as you tend to grab the brake first in real world panic situations. However one positive is that I have used it to avoid a running kid to grab his ball. So yeah, only bike handling from one box to another and the emergency stop. The rest was a waste. Like I said I found it easy and passed without any minors.
I practised my mod 2 with the training school riding around with an incompetent buffoon who I was sure was going to kill himself either then or on the test or after passing. Surprising as it is he passed with 2 minors. I failed my mod 2 on missing shoulder checks, plus I got lost as I took a wrong exit. As a car driver I had a habit of just checking mirrors and missing shoulder checks which could have been corrected if I had ridden more hours where my instructor wasn't shouting at the other moron trying to kill himself on every ride.
Not every instructor will fit your needs, You need to try and find one that does and explain what you think you want out of the training. I eventually passed the test which was the goal so that is that. But it wasn't a great experience. Nothing against the training school as they are good and friendly people and get a few people through their tests weekly.
But if somebody asked me about them I will give them a clear picture of how they do their training and if that satisfies your criteria of the training you need then good enough. I would say to them that if you have been riding a bike on the road after the CBT for a few months then you are more likely to pass the tests first time as they will prepare you well for the dreaded mod 1 and your road experience from previous driving and specially riding a bike should get your through mod 2 with ease as there isn't much time spent on the road. ____________________ yzf 600r  |
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Paying for fuel is a piss-take, but if you were told this beforehand then I suppose you chose to carry on regardless.
Training sounds similar to what I did i.e. lots of breaks, waiting for bikes to become available etc and not spending the advertised amount of time on the road.
but, you passed, you weren't horrendously ripped-off, at least compared to the price I paid in the humble (and usually cheaper) South West.
I would smile, forget, rejoice. In that order. ____________________ Current: 2009 SV650 S, 1990 Kawasaki GT550
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| MC wrote: | Bikewize (North Cheam) - feel a bit cheeky criticising them as it was really cheap, but they were extremely disorganised, and the lack of proper facilities meant some of the stuff we did was a bit dangerous.
Instructor was nice, but he seemed more interested in just going for a ride, than doing proper training etc. For mod 1 we did hardly any practice, and that was where we needed it, both me and my mate having road experience. Anyway we both passed so whatever  | I have experience here. You hit the nail on the head, they are one of the cheapest around, the woman in reception is a miserable old sow. The training facility is an old car park on some disused park. The training area is covered in a fine shingle! I locked up a couple of times, I was told to brake harder for emergency stop, years of experience in a car told me there was no way was I braking hard on that shit. So the first time I did, the front wheel locked.
I've mentioned before, there were two women out of the four of us on the off-road bit that didn't get through. One was a liability, middle-aged BUS DRIVER. She crashed the scooter into a tree. The other girl was fine, yes she did drop the bike, but she was light and struggling with putting on the centre stand. IMO she needed just a little more one-to-one than she got as she was close. The off-road was one instructor to four of us. The instructor was talking to me with his back to the woman on the scooter when she seemed to WOT and head for the tree.
That was 2 years ago, almost to the day, 11/9/12
For CBT I would not send a woman there, in fact I paid top dollar when I sent my Mrs on CBT, Advantage Wimbledon, who I can't recommend enough (she did DAS with them too). But for renewals and those able to ride a bike, or at least have the ability to learn without the hands-on approach I'd usually expect from a CBT, they are fine.
I went in for Mod 1 on my 125 for my restricted, passed first time, after teaching myself in a car park. Went for a 2 hour MOD 2 lesson with a guy from there, after I cockily went and did a MOD 2 test and failed, mainly for not knowing the things required to pass a MOD2. An old guy on an FZ-1, really good and got me up to the standard, for which I passed next day. Liked his attitude and approach.
So two different experiences of the same school. ____________________ Currently: Yamaha DT 125 LC2,Repsol Fireblade, and Bumblebee MSX 125 |
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Would advise avoiding Phoenix in Maidstone, proper terrible bunch.
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| Baffler186 wrote: | Paying for fuel is a piss-take, but if you were told this beforehand then I suppose you chose to carry on regardless.
Training sounds similar to what I did i.e. lots of breaks, waiting for bikes to become available etc and not spending the advertised amount of time on the road.
but, you passed, you weren't horrendously ripped-off, at least compared to the price I paid in the humble (and usually cheaper) South West.
I would smile, forget, rejoice. In that order. |
I was told how much fuel I would have to pay, and yes, I agreed. But they kept telling me to put a tenner in every time I rode the bike! Both instructors did this.
I was ripped off as I received half of what they told me, even less than that. But I agree, wasn't horrendously ripped-off compared to the guys who I were with ____________________ NuBiker2014 |
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| wotsthestory wrote: | The training facility is an old car park on some disused park. The training area is covered in a fine shingle! |
Not that disused, we had a car parked in the middle of our mod 1 course The surface was horrible, and I wouldn't want to come off on it, but where we did the high speed maneuvers was dangerous.
It was an industrial estate with a really poor road surface and high kerbs, if someone came off there they could really hurt themselves. Plus despite it being the weekend they were still cars coming along and running over our cones.
| mattyfattyboomboom wrote: |
Aside from the walking the bike in and out the cones at the start, which everyone should really be able to do, it's all about balance, no manhandling needed. |
Even the manual handling is stupid, you normally sit on your bike when pushing it backwards. Not gonna lie I struggled a bit with it, well the Bandit weighs 4 times as much as me
The stats are that a lot more women are failing now (with the rule changes). I think weight has a big influence on that. My balance was fine, I was able to do the slalom extremely slowly, it was purely a top heavy bike for things like the figure of 8, u-turn that gave me trouble. ____________________ Yamaha MT-03 '08 (crashed)
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