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The most expensive helmets aren't always the best, check out the SHARP website for a general idea (general as they don't test all models).
Only Kevlar jeans I've owned are Oxford K Jeans, they seem alright for £45, not crashed in them so dunno how well they hold up*
* kinda hoping I won't have to find out ____________________ Yamaha MT-03 '08 (crashed)
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Use this when you're buying a helmet. inb4 helmets a helmet.
https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/
Regardless how much difference it makes, I'd rather it have 5 stars than 1, just for my peace of mind if anything else.
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I'd rather have a 5 star lid that fits than a 1 star lid that fits  ____________________ Yamaha MT-03 '08 (crashed)
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Yeah course it's gotta fit lol but that was already said  |
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generally speaking though the more you pay the better the helmet. Cheaper helmets tend to be heavier, more noisy and have less features such as vents etc. |
not true there are plenty of expensive helmets that have very bad insulation, ventilation, are heavier and are very noisy and there are plenty relatively cheap helmets under £100 that are excellent.
Some expensive helmets are dangerous because they are too stiff and are designed to be too hard means not absobring enough energy on crash hence some cheap but SHARP compliant lids may have better protection for real life.
Here are the facts (my citation from): https://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/01/rating-helmets-beyond-passfail/
"Randy says:
From what I’ve read, the Arai’s don’t do well in SHARP testing because they have been designed with the SNELL tests in mind. The SNELL tests are at higher G’s and they test how well the helmet does in multiple hits in one area. To pass those tests the helmet has to have stiffer linings, which means that they have less give in lower speed hits. So doing well in SNELL trades off high speed safety for real-world lower speed safety. SNELL helmets may be better for racing, but ironically lower priced helmets with softer linings might be safer for street riding."
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It is a matter of the amount of energy absorbed by a helmet at various speeds. According to this article:
https://www.westcoastweasels.com/archives/PDF/Blowing_the_Lid_Off.pdf
“The European Union recently released an extensive helmet study called COST 327, which involved close
study of 253 recent motorcycle accidents in Germany, Finland and the U.K. This is how they summarized
the state of the helmet art after analyzing the accidents and the damage done to the helmets and the
people: ‘Current designs are too stiff and too resilient, and energy is absorbed efficiently only at values of
HIC [Head Injury Criteria: a measure of G force over time] well above those which are survivable.’ ”
So, in other words, SNELL helmets are designed with an eye towards dealing with impacts where the rider isn’t going to survive in any case, at the expense of doing a better job of dealing with impacts that are survivable. In the case of lower energy, survivable impacts, SNELL helmets don’t do as well as helmets designed with an eye only towards ECE and SHARP.
I suggest that everyone read the cited article." ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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| Val wrote: |
Some expensive helmets are dangerous because they are too stiff and are designed to be too hard means not absobring enough energy on crash hence some cheap but SHARP compliant lids may have better protection for real life.
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Depends on the kind of crash you're planning on having. Not all real life crashes are low speed.
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Here are the facts (my citation from): https://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/01/rating-helmets-beyond-passfail/
"Randy says:
From what I’ve read, the Arai’s don’t do well in SHARP testing because they have been designed with the SNELL tests in mind. The SNELL tests are at higher G’s and they test how well the helmet does in multiple hits in one area. To pass those tests the helmet has to have stiffer linings, which means that they have less give in lower speed hits. So doing well in SNELL trades off high speed safety for real-world lower speed safety. SNELL helmets may be better for racing, but ironically lower priced helmets with softer linings might be safer for street riding." |
Not the MIGHT bit, sounds like Randy's sitting on the fence to me. He's not really saying anything in that sentence. Lower speed hits are more likely to be survivable in any case.
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It is a matter of the amount of energy absorbed by a helmet at various speeds. According to this article:
https://www.westcoastweasels.com/archives/PDF/Blowing_the_Lid_Off.pdf
“The European Union recently released an extensive helmet study called COST 327, which involved close
study of 253 recent motorcycle accidents in Germany, Finland and the U.K. This is how they summarized
the state of the helmet art after analyzing the accidents and the damage done to the helmets and the
people: ‘Current designs are too stiff and too resilient, and energy is absorbed efficiently only at values of
HIC [Head Injury Criteria: a measure of G force over time] well above those which are survivable.’ ”
So, in other words, SNELL helmets are designed with an eye towards dealing with impacts where the rider isn’t going to survive in any case, at the expense of doing a better job of dealing with impacts that are survivable. In the case of lower energy, survivable impacts, SNELL helmets don’t do as well as helmets designed with an eye only towards ECE and SHARP.
I suggest that everyone read the cited article." |
And since when does "State of the art" mean SNELL approved?
Also, do the majority of motorcycle crashes involve multiple or single impacts? Or an impact then a slide?
I should point out the two crashes I've had, my helmet's never even touched the ground, so SNELL/ECE or SHARP ratings wouldn't have helped in my crashes, but my leathers (which aren't even required by law) helped massively.  ____________________ My Flickr |
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Kevlar jeans are very appealing from a comfort perspective and on the ones I tested in anger the Kevlar did what it claimed to do. The downside not mentioned in the advertising blurb were the nasty friction burns I received as the Kevlar conducted the heat nicely to my skin. ____________________ A Petrol Head in The Alps
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Old Thread Alert!
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