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Chalky.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: This tyre bollocksed? Reply with quote

Been so long since I had a new tyre, I don't even know what one looks like.

Was riding the CBR on a wet road yesterday, top gear roughly 7k revs, put some power on and the tyre spun up. Ended up kicking the back end out a fair bit which was a first.

It's hardly a superbike and nothing untoward on the road - are these tyres shit in the wet or are they fucked?

https://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o22/fv53wkr/CBR/AC006238-B606-4516-BE8B-B73BC4896901_zpsxc3rlcm1.jpg

https://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o22/fv53wkr/CBR/3401E6B9-7E19-46F0-844F-7F8548F415E8_zpsx3ahynik.jpg

https://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o22/fv53wkr/CBR/3310FBAC-8FB5-4304-BABC-668337360881_zpskf8zgvd0.jpg

https://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o22/fv53wkr/CBR/56D625D6-0F82-4BC7-8263-3E90ADA9D7DA_zpsplkgit0a.jpg


They seem good in the dry...
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think you've answered your own question.

Also, slicks are good in the dry, but no use at all in the wet. The tread is there to allow water to disperse, which they're obviously not doing.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those tyres are getting low. The legal limit is 1mm deep on the tread. Those look about 2-3 mm. If you buy new tyres you'll notice increased grip in wet because the tread pushes the water out of the way. On a low tread tyre you get something called auqaplaning where the tyre skims across the top of the water instead of going through it which results in a severe loss of grip because you're essentially driving on water E.G a grip less surface. Anyways that's what I think. I only worked 12 weeks in a car/bike garage so I'm no expert. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some tyres are shit in the wet. That's just a fact. Your tyres look round though so providing they have the legal tread, the tyres are fine, it'll be that that particular type of tyre is shit for wetness.

** Round as in, not squared off
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

how old are those tires anyway .. see date stamp on tire wall.. probably why they slip in wet conditions.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting low but still life in them.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people say that tyres get heat cycled - they warm up during use and cool down again

this can slowly cause the rubber to harden, harder rubber grips less (but wears slower) especially in the wet.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyre looks done. Its squared off and low on tread. Pirelli's seem to start 'shredding' on the edges of the tread when they are worn.

Buy a new one.

Pirelli Rosso's are good in all conditions. But there are better for wet weather.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

TallPaul_S wrote:
Think you've answered your own question.

Also, slicks are good in the dry, but no use at all in the wet. The tread is there to allow water to disperse, which they're obviously not doing.


All very interesting, but I can't see a picture of a slick?

In any case, that tyre still has life in it, but it is pretty squared off, and probably makes your bike handle like a sloppy pair of tits.
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
TallPaul_S wrote:
Think you've answered your own question.

Also, slicks are good in the dry, but no use at all in the wet. The tread is there to allow water to disperse, which they're obviously not doing.


All very interesting, but I can't see a picture of a slick?

In any case, that tyre still has life in it, but it is pretty squared off, and probably makes your bike handle like a sloppy pair of tits.


I was more referring to the OP's comment about them being good in the dry - well a slick is also good in the dry (provided it's warm enough), but the tread (or lack of!) is what matters for wet conditions Thumbs Up A completely shagged type with 0.1mm of tread will (probably) seem good in the dry, but it's still shagged and needs replacing Laughing

OP, I'd say if you're losing grip in the wet, with the colder and wetter weather coming I'd replace it - last thing you want is to be laying in the road in huge pain thinking "I wish I'd got a new rear tyre... Crying or Very sad"
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know whether the same applies to bike tyres but they reckon that once a car tyre gets below 3mm of tread, the wet performance falls away very quickly. Even so, I run my tyres to the legal limit.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might have just hit something a bit slippy, patch of diesel or something. Had the tyres had a chance to warm up? Age might have something to do with it, they do get a bit harder if they're old.

From the pics it looks like it's a bit on the way out but not totally shagged yet. I'd probably keep it a while longer but be getting a new one coming into winter.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's still legal then it'll be fine,sone parts of the tread look very close to the limit but have a close inspection and if it's 1mm or above then leave be.

The tyre is squared off slightly which will slow the turn in,you'll get that dreaded stepped feeling when turning in which is a pisser in the wet and increased tyre temps as the contact patch is now larger,the tyre will start to wear very quickly now.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
Tyre looks done. Its squared off and low on tread. Pirelli's seem to start 'shredding' on the edges of the tread when they are worn.

Buy a new one.

Pirelli Rosso's are good in all conditions. But there are better for wet weather.


Agreed with everything except the Rosso's being good in all conditions. Based on the rosso corsa's on my Street Triple over the winter/spring... They were terrible, spinning the rear up at 10 mph and 2Krpm was not fun.

I will be trying Metzeler, probably Z8
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stonesie wrote:
evoboy wrote:
Tyre looks done. Its squared off and low on tread. Pirelli's seem to start 'shredding' on the edges of the tread when they are worn.

Buy a new one.

Pirelli Rosso's are good in all conditions. But there are better for wet weather.


Agreed with everything except the Rosso's being good in all conditions. Based on the rosso corsa's on my Street Triple over the winter/spring... They were terrible, spinning the rear up at 10 mph and 2Krpm was not fun, a pair of boxers were thrown away that day.

I will be trying Metzeler, probably Z8


Rossos and Rosso Corsas are two different tyres. The Corsas are a fast road/track tyre, the rossos (or the rosso 2 that I believe superceded them) is more of a road/touring tyre.
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doh!

Why are Pirelli so shit at naming tyres.

Rosso 2 = Good all rounder
Rosso Corsa = summer only

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PostPosted: 21:07 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Applying throttle form 7000RPM in the wet often causes some slippage if you're not careful, and there's nothing seriously wrong with that tyre, yet.
It's clear you have been doing plenty of straight line miles but that's not an issue however you may fine that when entering a bend, the bike will hesitate to lean over for a moment, then as you push it further it will almost fall into the bend. It's a strange feeling and it's hard to describe.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stonesie wrote:
Doh!

Why are Pirelli so shit at naming tyres.

Rosso 2 = Good all rounder
Rosso Corsa = summer only

Got it Thumbs Up


Then Supercorsas track use/posers only.

Opposite end of the spectrum Pirelli Angle ST, mile munchers. Not checked this on their site, it's all from memory. Razz Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
stonesie wrote:
Doh!

Why are Pirelli so shit at naming tyres.

Rosso 2 = Good all rounder
Rosso Corsa = summer only

Got it Thumbs Up


Then Supercorsas track use/posers only.

Opposite end of the spectrum Pirelli Angle ST, mile munchers. Not checked this on their site, it's all from memory. Razz Thumbs Up


it's the angel gt now but it's a good all round tyre ive never found there limits on a ducati 916 and they held there own at cadwell park
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 26 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not crazily squared off and is a Diablo Rosso. First time it has lost traction, it was a race scrub a put on a couple of years ago. There was no standing water and nothing on the road - I think Sam's right in that it's just poor in the wet.

That's the size Bobbeh, perfect if I could have it Thumbs Up

I'll post a pic of my SM tyres... now they're squared off Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 26 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CestrianX wrote:
then as you push it further it will almost fall into the bend. It's a strange feeling and it's hard to describe.


I'd describe it as your heart suddenly sinking and your sphincter tightening. Thumbs Up
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