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Celera
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: One handed Reply with quote

See this all the time, and do it myself on a section of the A1 that is a steady 40mph all the way through. I presume it's absolutely fine, legally, but I did wonder about it this morning as I rode past numerous of our country's finest constabulary.

Could someone confirm?
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not explicitly illegal - but if the police suspect any inhibiting of your control of the vehicle then you'll be done for CU80 not being in proper control.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

See this:

https://members.modernvespa.net/huskyteer/uploads/signals_117.jpg

That's from the UK highway code that is. So you can take a hand off but I wouldn't ride constantly one handedly.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

One handed for no good reason on a bike or in a car is as said CU80 territory Mobile phones, sat nav's, food and drinks in cars have all been shown to be "no good reason" !
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on how bad Plods day was, it could be construed as driving without due care and attention.

I'd avoid doing it round town as you may need to break/clutch suddenly.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm baffled as to how anyone gets convicted of CU80 when they can just point at the Highway Bleedin' Code and say "Is that 'not in control' then?"

"good reason" does not form part of the law, you're either in control with one hand or you're not.

Usual advice applies if stopped: either say nothing at all (if you don't trust yourself to not cave in and blub), or flatly, firmly and absolutely deny the accusation. "Balderdash" is a sadly under-used word. Wink
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its fine, just make sure you are quick enough at reacting.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do it yourself on a section of your journeys, perhaps you can explain this: WHY?
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Show them this:
https://www.durham.police.uk/Information-and-advice/PublishingImages/EER%20Dave%20Coates%202012.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:44 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

dandelion wrote:
If you do it yourself on a section of your journeys, perhaps you can explain this: WHY?


If this question is to me, the answer really is comfort. I don't need to hold on with both while I'm cruising at such a low speed, in a straight line, where visibility is extended so I can plan ahead even further.

Same question would apply in the car. Most people I've ever known drive with one hand on the wheel.

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I'm baffled as to how anyone gets convicted of CU80 when they can just point at the Highway Bleedin' Code and say "Is that 'not in control' then?"

"good reason" does not form part of the law, you're either in control with one hand or you're not.

Usual advice applies if stopped: either say nothing at all (if you don't trust yourself to not cave in and blub), or flatly, firmly and absolutely deny the accusation. "Balderdash" is a sadly under-used word. Wink


This has formed essentially the crux of my questioning. I would be absolutely furious to be told I wasn't in control of my bike in such circumstances. The worry is the interpretation. Plod's word against mine is a situation that always worries me - as much as I respect the work they do, and the police in general, I'm all too aware of the problem minority that think themselves important above their station.

I'd hope that as long as I'm riding in a safe and sensible manner, one handed or two, would be the only really important factor.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a one armed fella what rides a scootay round these here parts.

It's like being told I am dangerous for listening to music on my bike/bicycle, "oh, deaf people can't ride bikes then"?
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about no hands? Riding a bike that's going faster than 10mph with no hands is dead easy, the centrifugal forces keep it upright, I do this occaisonally (only for a second or 2) when adjusting my jacket, or when slowing down into a 30 zone (god bless engine braking Laughing ) to have a stretch - if you passed a copper doing this would it be a pull, even if you were riding along completely in control for the 2 or 3 seconds both hands were off the bars?
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
"Balderdash" is a sadly under-used word. Wink


"Fiddlesticks" is - in most cases - preferable.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
One handed for no good reason on a bike or in a car is as said CU80 territory Mobile phones, sat nav's, food and drinks in cars have all been shown to be "no good reason" !


Which is most strange as you need to take one had off to change gear, signal, switch lights, & god knows how many other driving related issues....

Yet having a fire stick in your hand/mouth is considered OK Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

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PostPosted: 13:28 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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One handed AND one footed!!! The crazy fool!! Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen a couple of one armed bikers on TV recently, and there's a company that modifies bikes for one disabled riders.

Whether or not riding with one arm (when you have two perfectly good ones) constitutes an offence would be determined by whether or not you have 'proper control' of the bike.

There are many circumstances that should exempt you from committing an offence, such as giving a lawful hand signal, clearing a visor, operating a choke control, relieving cramp, etc. but probably not waving to your mates, expressing your opinions of other people's driving ability, or having a wank (it was that, wasn't it!).

What is meant by 'proper control' would possibly depend on other circumstances, (and what you were doing with the other arm at the time), but in the event of a disagreement between you and plod, the courts would decide.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about bikes with no indicators, hand signals are used . . . .
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:
There are many circumstances that should exempt you from committing an offence

Hang on.

104. No person shall drive or cause or permit any other person to drive, a motor vehicle on a road if he is in such a position that he cannot have proper control of the vehicle or have a full view of the road and traffic ahead.

That's it, there are no circumstantial "exemptions".

So the issue is this: are you in control with one hand, or are you not?

I can point at two police motorcyclists who demonstrably believe that they are.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

I can point at two police motorcyclists who demonstrably believe that they are.


Yeah, but trained professionals... don't do as I do... etc, etc...
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

TallPaul_S wrote:
What about no hands? Riding a bike that's going faster than 10mph with no hands is dead easy, the centrifugal forces keep it upright, I do this occaisonally (only for a second or 2) when adjusting my jacket, or when slowing down into a 30 zone (god bless engine braking Laughing ) to have a stretch - if you passed a copper doing this would it be a pull, even if you were riding along completely in control for the 2 or 3 seconds both hands were off the bars?


Pffft, a second or two, fanny!

I've gotten all the way through the Dartford tunnel no handed in the past, that includes the bend in the middle, and the uphill out of the tunnel section.

I think in the eyes of the law it would be well and truly not in control though. Good luck swerving out of the way of the innocent kitten that appears in your path. Kitten Murderer!

https://rothcpa.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/20140521-1.jpg

In reality so long as you are stable and can see the area in front clearly, including a decent clear area by the side of the road (for reaction time), I don't see any issue myself. In my experience Kittens don't tend to appear from nowhere!
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:
There are many circumstances that should exempt you from committing an offence

I meant that there are some legitimate reasons for taking one hand off the bars, that doesn't automatically cause you to loose 'proper control', or cause you to commit an offence.

If you get prosecuted and plod says you weren't in proper control because you didn't have both hands on the bars, you could argue that your indicators had suddenly failed and you were indicating a left turn = no offence.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:
I meant that there are some legitimate reasons for taking one hand off the bars, that doesn't automatically cause you to loose[sic] 'proper control'

Why does the "reason" for taking one hand off the bars have any bearing on the consequences?

You are either in control, or you are not in control.

Don't make the prosecution's case for them, is the nub of my gist.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often ride with one hand on a long run. When I started biking my hands used to cramp with gripping the bars too tight and I would take one off at a time to rest it. There are also numerous occasions when I need to put my visor up/down or lower my sun visor and thought control just won't do it. Laughing
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