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PostPosted: 18:30 - 11 Aug 2014    Post subject: BMW E46 3 series - What to look for Reply with quote

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Possibly looking at one of these. Probably a 318 (2 litre). Hopefully with the optional extra indicators.

Reading around and the only consistent thing that I have found to be an issue so far is the window regulators.

What else goes wrong? Where do they rust?

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:53 - 11 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I expect you've probably already seen this. Good cars on the whole, but ive had a few e46 n42 engine cars in at work with low miles on that have broken timing chain tensioners.

https://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1007722
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 11 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: BMW E46 3 series - What to look for Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Possibly looking at one of these. Probably a 318 (2 litre). Hopefully with the optional extra indicators.

Reading around and the only consistent thing that I have found to be an issue so far is the window regulators.

What else goes wrong? Where do they rust?

All the best

Keith


Window regulators? Do you mean that the power windows stop auto lowering/closing? Because you can just perform a reset by lowering them and holding for 10s followed by raising and holding for 10s - worked on mine.

Mine's the 330d and 10 years old. There's no rust as yet, but the suspension seems to pull a little to the left occasionally. Guy who had it before's fault as he rarely slowed down for bumps and drove a lot in Belgium. <edit> scratch the rust thing - there's a little bit around the kidney grills... It's been an outdoor car for all its life too. So just that little bit isn't bad.

The console / screen can go and be very expensive. Mine flashes black occasionally and sometimes resets. The maps in car are difficult to source illegitimately and are expensive legitimately. Mine are woefully out of date.

And... I can't talk about it without complaining again about the seating position - your legs will end up about 2 degrees off straight due to the transmission tunnel / bell housing. This causes me pain during daily driving.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 11 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nb wrote:
Good cars on the whole, but ive had a few e46 n42 engine cars in at work with low miles on that have broken timing chain tensioners.


Cheers. Not seen that write up (but had been reading a thread on that site about problems people had suffered from).

daemonoid wrote:

Window regulators? Do you mean that the power windows stop auto lowering/closing? Because you can just perform a reset by lowering them and holding for 10s followed by raising and holding for 10s - worked on mine.


Seems to be the whole mechanism that causes problems.

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The console / screen can go and be very expensive. Mine flashes black occasionally and sometimes resets. The maps in car are difficult to source illegitimately and are expensive legitimately. Mine are woefully out of date.


Poverty spec 2L so no sat nav screen built in (not something that really appeals to me - might be something I don't have a choice about soon though).

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And... I can't talk about it without complaining again about the seating position - your legs will end up about 2 degrees off straight due to the transmission tunnel / bell housing. This causes me pain during daily driving.


Interesting, although having had various Alfas I am used to an off square driving position.

What we want is a car that is better than the Jag on petrol (overall 28mpg average according to the trip computer since we bought it 80k ago - although I have managed to nanny it into giving 40mpg on a long motorway journey), that can tow a bike trailer, is reasonably pleasant and a bit sport to drive, 4 reasonable seats and a reasonable boot and not a diesel. While a diesel might save a bit on fuel the first time we filled with petrol by mistake would wipe out that saving. That and I don't tend to like the way diesels produce power (although the 330d I had a go in many years ago wasn't bad).

Charlotte went to have a look at one locally tonight. Not too bad, about 60k on the clocks and seems fairly honest (not tarted up). She did find a bit of rust just under the boot, near the latch when the boot was open.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 11 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

These things:

https://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/arryR32/Picture166.jpg

Specifically, rather than just the whole arm (although balljoints will likely be shot anyway), the lollipop bush. Good quality replacement whole arms like those in the pic are £250 the pair. You can polyflex the lollipop for about £60 but they still 'oval' after time giving a judder at speed / light braking situations. They kick them out every 30k motorway miles or so.

Rust wise they go front and rear arch lips as the liners collect crud big time. Otherwise, fairly solid.

Early cars had issues with rear subframes cracking but mainly the higher power/torque variants and it was only early cars from what I can work out. Mine's an early 330d and doesn't have this issue.

Rear springs have been known to snap Rolling Eyes

Front occupancy sensor mat which controls the air-bag deployment for passenger seat / side impact bags can fail sending the airbag light on and rendering the whole system inoperative - about £400 for a new one OR you can go pikey like I did and stick a £10 resistor pack in there; bypasses the mat to suggest the passenger seat is always occupied - downside, all airbags go off in an accident.

Not sure on the 318's specifically as I've not owned a BM of petrol variety of that era but I know the petrols suffer with faulty and therefore very noisy DISA valves. Seems an easy fix, but another thing to listen for (plenty of youtube videos).

They've a minor tendency to have ABS / DSC faults but I'd say no more than any other car.

I think that's about it really.
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 11 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
These things:

https://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/arryR32/Picture166.jpg

Specifically, rather than just the whole arm (although balljoints will likely be shot anyway), the lollipop bush. Good quality replacement whole arms like those in the pic are £250 the pair. You can polyflex the lollipop for about £60 but they still 'oval' after time giving a judder at speed / light braking situations. They kick them out every 30k motorway miles or so.


Mine had them replaced at the last MOT. Mine has 140,000 on it now, so is well run it. I've not had to replace much, although the OS electric window has given up, and the oil level sensor is fubar, meaning that the oil light comes on for 30 second after starting up.
Common fault if you leave the ignition on while changing the oil.

I found they are really sensitive to shit tyres on the back. Mich or goodyear only, however, they take really common sizes, so are cheap.

318 isn't exciting, but it's comfortable and stable for driving down the motorway.

It also had a snapped spring on the back when I got it, this cant be spotted on the MOT, only with the wheel off. Parts are cheap though, and easy to get hold of. Servicing is easy, with loads of room around the small engine in a big engine bay.

The water pump in mine shat itself 5000 miles ago, taking pullies and belts with it, engine was fine though
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 11 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Are the arms easy to change? Presume easy enough but you never know.

Had an Alfa 156 so fairly used to occasional suspension arms being replaced (upper arm on those are a doddle, lowers are a bit of a pain).

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 11 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Are the arms easy to change? Presume easy enough but you never know.


Yeah, not really a drama - an hour and a half tops Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 06:21 - 12 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:

Front occupancy sensor mat which controls the air-bag deployment for passenger seat / side impact bags can fail sending the airbag light on and rendering the whole system inoperative - about £400 for a new one OR you can go pikey like I did and stick a £10 resistor pack in there; bypasses the mat to suggest the passenger seat is always occupied - downside, all airbags go off in an accident.


£10! Did mine for 83p from Maplins - just takes a diode and a resistor and a quick bit of soldering Wink


I sorta hate my E46 (318 2001 touring), but it runs well enough to not want to bin it. It just has constant little problems (mainly electrical) and everything on it is needlessly more complicated than it needs to be.


Electric window reg failure can be fixed with 2 cable ties (see google), I backed that up with araldite over the whole area too. Can be dome without even taking the mechanism out if you've got long fingers!
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PostPosted: 07:45 - 12 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The head gasket is known to go on the N42 B20 engines if the cooling system isn't looked after. I'd suggest fitting a new coolant level sensor so you know that yours isn't playing up...sometimes it comes on for no apparent reason, sometimes it doesn't come on when it should...

I had to replace the head gasket on mine and it's a pig of a job!! That, however, was thanks to some mickey mouse garage fitting a straight bit of silicon hose between the block & thermostat housing where the original is a profiled piece. The pipe kinked and the engine overheated horribly.

Again, seat occupancy sensor on the passenger side, and the seatbelt sensor wiring underneath the driver's seat breaks after some time, especially if you move the seat about a lot. The original kidney grille clips will break eventually, they're about £30 for a set of (non genuine) on ebay.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 10 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Just to follow up on this, we landed up buying a 318. Does the job and has a half decent unbraked towing capacity.

Although to be honest it is a bit meh as a car.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 10 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 316i e46, currently sat on ramps, the cooling system on them is very poor and fragile ( as i'm sure you already know )

first the expansion tank went ( small crack ) then the thermostat, which i just removed and left it as is, meh.
then the aux fan died, and all this was happening while going to work and back every day Laughing

oh and also a prev owner had stuck a shit ton of radiator sealant in it so some of the pipes were clogged up, i'm still discovering things wrong with it while it's not going anywhere Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 10 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother in law used to work at BMW as mechanic.

As far as he is concerned, he would not touch a 4 pot BMW. When I was looking at a 318 he advised me to steer clear and sent me photos of holed pistons, blown head gaskets, cracked bores and a chewed, swarf filled engine cover where the cam chain had chewed into the block.

I bought a 323Ci instead Laughing After an E36 328i, I never rated either of them. Sad
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 10 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to part ex mine and go for a 320d or something, it's the most i've ever spent on a car ( usually would never go above £500 ) and this one has been the most unreliable by a long way Surprised
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 11 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm just bought a 323ci on a bit of a whim, think I done ok its very tidy has a years mot and full service including water pump 126000 runs drives sweet bog standard £500.

What should I look out for (should have asked before I bought it really lol)
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PostPosted: 05:57 - 11 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

STONEY! wrote:


What should I look out for (should have asked before I bought it really lol)


A decent car to part-ex it for. You might even make a profit if you paid just £500.

Other than that, look out for problem in every bloody system in or on the piece of shite. Mine's now getting run into the ground, I'm treating this year as a freebie as it was only by some serious BSing it went through the MOT at all... Sad
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 11 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

bEN_ wrote:
I'm going to part ex mine and go for a 320d or something, it's the most i've ever spent on a car ( usually would never go above £500 ) and this one has been the most unreliable by a long way Surprised


It is the bits that are common to the petrol and diesel ones that stand out as being dodgy so far. Interior build quality is below the X Type Jag it replaced and the Alfa 156 we had.

It is good on petrol though

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:16 - 11 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience so far (E46 facelift 320i estate)

Front arches rust like buggery, they're triple skinned and if grit/dirt clogs up in between them it traps water and they corrode from the inside out. If yours looks like this, assume the worst.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zVPkvXHUgo8/UnUW5Bmi6mI/AAAAAAAAA2o/eshzCbQlifA/s720/20131102_150458.jpg

I'd check inside the front arches on yours Keith, just for peace of mind.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 11 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought my 323ci in june for £1200 with 78k miles and FSH. So far has been so good. Not exactly fuel efficient and has some rusting on one of the front arches.

But as a 'throw away' carits comfortable and fast enough and nice to just waft around in.

Non car People also assume you are loaded when you drive one, which I find odd.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 20 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Car is misbehaving. Running REALLY badly. Plugged EOBD fault code reader in and it reported P0300, P0301, P0302 ad P0304. That is multiple cylinder misfire, misfire on 1, misfire on 2 and misfire on 4 (although given it manages to run, probably not all at once).

Found a crumbling small hose which comes off the main intake hose from the airbox to the MAF sensor, but nothing else. And it is a complete git to get the airbox back on.

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:34 - 20 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Car is misbehaving. Running REALLY badly. Plugged EOBD fault code reader in and it reported P0300, P0301, P0302 ad P0304. That is multiple cylinder misfire, misfire on 1, misfire on 2 and misfire on 4 (although given it manages to run, probably not all at once).

Found a crumbling small hose which comes off the main intake hose from the airbox to the MAF sensor, but nothing else. And it is a complete git to get the airbox back on.

All the best

Keith



ahh those stupid clips or the way the pipe is connected to the air box?

i've recently got a 325TI and got rid of the E46 316 as it was just falling to bits mechanically
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 20 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is trying to get the intake pipe onto the airbox, while also getting the small air box (comes off the intake hose) located as well. Would have been far easier if the lid came off the airbox easily from above as you could then just locate the pipe from the inside.

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PostPosted: 13:23 - 21 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you upload a picture of the pipe in question?
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 21 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spikenipple wrote:
Can you upload a picture of the pipe in question?


Not at the moment - it is peeing it down! It is the ~8" rubber pipe from the airbox / MAF sensor to the throttle body. Difficult to get it to slide into place as it is pretty tight and no space to get to the edges to help it on.

Getting carbs on and off a Bandit is easier.

All the best

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