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Mirey
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: First fall Reply with quote

I had my first fall today. Wasn't bad, and not really too sure what happened. I was just going round a roundabout - not too sharp or fast.

Some really cool sparks came off the exhaust cover (YBR 125), and the hand brake bar is bent quite a bit - I'll try bending it back, else I'll have to buy a replacement I guess.

Fortunately, there seemed to be no damage to anything - not even my jeans. I do have a bump on my leg where the jeans have a little rivet thing.

A lady stopped to, and a guy with a Harley jumper came and asked if I was alright. Nice to know some people will stop.

I think I need to replace my back tyre, it's slid out a number of times now. I'm just trying not to as it took me a while to get my front wheel inflated after changing it.

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PostPosted: 19:34 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the club, I guess. Smile
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I remember from my CBT being warned that roundabouts attract diesel. I know I had an interesting little slide about when I booted it down off one driving a cage the other week.

Least you're ok. Thumbs Up

I would just buy a new lever, metal doesn't really like being bent backwards and forwards too much, it could get brittle. Clutch I might risk it but you don't want your brake lever to snap. (I'd cheerfully bend one to get home though.) Not expensive are they?

What's this rear tyre of yours? Decent brand? Got tread on it?
Were you braking or on the power or what?
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Urgh, roundabouts.

Slow, upright, try and stay in the vehicle tracks.

Is this a newish YBR? We have had several folk bawww about the OEM tyres.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tyres that come on the YBR are pretty bad.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tyres that come on the YBR are pretty bad.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: First fall Reply with quote

Mirey wrote:

I think I need to replace my back tyre, it's slid out a number of times now. I'm just trying not to as it took me a while to get my front wheel inflated after changing it.


Seriously! Rolling Eyes

Not the most convincing reason to not change a tyre. Particularly a plastic Chingshen jobby that's good for 2k miles of dry weather only (assuming OEM).

£35-£45 a tyre for Metzeler / Michelin and you'll me much happier and safer.

That said, what tyres are they and how much tread do you have left?

EDIT: Also, what tyre pressures are you using?

Could have just been oil / diesel and you were unlucky. Often you can smell it and sometimes see it though.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: First fall Reply with quote

Celt500 wrote:

I would just buy a new lever, metal doesn't really like being bent backwards and forwards too much, it could get brittle. Clutch I might risk it but you don't want your brake lever to snap. (I'd cheerfully bend one to get home though.) Not expensive are they?


I suppose you're right. There's an after market one for £5, or the OEM one for £10. Not a huge amount, and will save me the hassle of trying to bend it back.


Pigeon wrote:


Seriously! Rolling Eyes

Not the most convincing reason to not change a tyre. Particularly a plastic Chingshen jobby that's good for 2k miles of dry weather only (assuming OEM).

£35-£45 a tyre for Metzeler / Michelin and you'll me much happier and safer.


Yep. I actually bought a rear tyre the same time I bought the front, I just haven't fitted it yet. Metzeler ME22s

Celt500 wrote:
That said, what tyres are they and how much tread do you have left?

EDIT: Also, what tyre pressures are you using?

Could have just been oil / diesel and you were unlucky. Often you can smell it and sometimes see it though.


It seems to have a decent amount of tread left. I'm not sure what make it is - I did look but I've forgotten. It's not OEM. It's a 2009 model. On one of the MOTs (not the last one) it said it had an advisory for the rear tyre, which was gone by the next MOT.

It had done just over 3k when I got it. It's done 5k now.

25 PSI upfront, and 41 PSI at back. The sticker on the side of the bike says below 100kg to use 25/25 (or close to), and 25/41 for 100kg+. I weight 95kg, so with close + top box figured it'd be at 100kg.

I filled the tyres up afterwards and it was at 24/33.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

5k miles and you may find the tread in the middle of the tyre is significantly less than the outside.

ie a quick visual check in the morning and you might think there is loads of tread left, but it's all on the last 10mm either side of the edge.

41psi might be a touch high.

During the summer I went 26/39, during winter it was 25/35. With topbox + 16st 6ft1 lard arse.

The ME22's are great tyres, good fun in summer, and very useful when we had the floods. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

On little tiddlers, I find 30/30 the be adequate, did on the KH, CBR and Varadero. Only increased rear to 34 for pillions. Try those pressures.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pigeon wrote:

ie a quick visual check in the morning and you might think there is loads of tread left, but it's all on the last 10mm either side of the edge.

Yeah, it does seem a little "square", but I'm not sure if I'm seeing it like that because I want to see it like that... I do have a depth gauge so I'll properly measure it tomorrow.

Pigeon wrote:

The ME22's are great tyres, good fun in summer, and very useful when we had the floods. Thumbs Up

Yeah. When I stuck the front tyre on it was a noticeable difference. I have wondered if the back wheel being a little "slidy" is only exacerbated by the front tyre being so grippy.

Paddy. wrote:
On little tiddlers, I find 30/30 the be adequate, did on the KH, CBR and Varadero. Only increased rear to 34 for pillions. Try those pressures.

Thanks, I'll give it a go.


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Celt500 wrote:
Were you braking or on the power or what?

If the roundabout was a clock, I started at 12 and wanted to get to 9. I was at 6 and it wasn't a huge roundabout, so I had just begun to put power back on. Can't really remember when I fell off, it happened pretty quickly.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

if that lever [surprising!] didnt snap then,straightening it now might just do for it.
Id change it because if it doesnt after straightening,it could possibly do so as you ride,at a really inconvenient time
Take care mate,good to see you are good and that people came to help Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best chance of getting the lever straight is to take it off the bike, clean it, get it hot (but don't melt it) with either a gas torch at a pinch stick it in a hot oven. Handle with oven gloves or similar and straighten in a vice with jaw protectors that aren't rubber (scrap wood works). Less likely to snap, but it's like £5 for a pattern one so don't waste too much time or money on it.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd replace that lever sooner rather than later, is not worth the risk fella
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 06 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, new handle came today. Only cost £5. I have just noticed there is black marks near the screw whole - should I put some grease there on the new handle? (I just pulled this one out and put in the new one)

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PostPosted: 20:24 - 06 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought my first bike yesterday, fell today the reason being that I was a complete idiot and left the steering lock on.
Landed chest first and in quite a bit of pain now. Despite looking like a complete fool I want to warn any new bikers out there; remember to unlock the steering lock.
I must admit that suddenly biking seems a lot less fun, that asphalt is very hard! Sick
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 06 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Janza"]I bought my first bike yesterday, fell today the reason being that I was a complete idiot and left the steering lock on.
Landed chest first and in quite a bit of pain now. Despite looking like a complete fool I want to warn any new bikers out there; remember to unlock the steering lock.
I must admit that suddenly biking seems a lot less fun, that asphalt is very hard! Sick[/quote]

Dont give up mate,all it is is a learning curve.You wont do that again for sure!
And dont forget,best thing is to climb right back on board,or asap if you injured badly.
I think everyone must of come off in their early days! Me?I did something even more daft,like snatching at the bloody front brake in CBT... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 06 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried to pull away in neutral on my CBT, realised, but for some unknown reason I didn't release the throttle and dumped the clutch after selecting first. That was my first off.

The other was a minor one on a roundabout, back just slipped on some diesel or oil, being half asleep instead of relaxing like I've done before and keeping loose and a neutral throttle I tensed right up and snapped the throttle closed. Sliding across the road was the result. Lesson? Don't ride half asleep!
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 06 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Janza wrote:
I bought my first bike yesterday, fell today the reason being that I was a complete idiot and left the steering lock on.
Landed chest first and in quite a bit of pain now. Despite looking like a complete fool I want to warn any new bikers out there; remember to unlock the steering lock.
I must admit that suddenly biking seems a lot less fun, that asphalt is very hard! Sick


You can start your bike with the steering lock engaged?
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 07 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

James83,
yes! Seems like very poor design,especially when the owners manual goes on and on about the importance of making sure the lock is on, but not reminding to turn it off as well!
And yes...It is a cheapo Chinese 125cc...
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PostPosted: 02:23 - 07 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

James83 wrote:
You can start your bike with the steering lock engaged?


Not all bikes have a single lock on the top yoke that does for steering and ignition. My ignition lock is on the left of the bike above the gearbox, conveniently near battery, rectifier, and underseat fusebox. Also reasonably easy to get at to hotwire as long as the exhaust is cold. My steering lock is a separate thing on the head, and seems much beefier than the little blade of pressed steel I have seen on bikes with a combined action.

Its kind of a good idea to push the bars straight before setting off, or even starting the bike. That said ive started mine once or twice then gone to pull away and realised I'd forgotten to unlock the steering. Usually on days when I've needed an auxiliary battery to start the damn thing...
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PostPosted: 07:23 - 07 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to second the recs for metzler ME22s - great tyres.
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 08 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: First fall Reply with quote

Mirey wrote:
and a guy with a Harley jumper came and asked if I was alright.


not a real Harley rider. Harley riders do not stop for non Harley riders.


I jest, of course. on my 125, i done the same as Paddy and stuck at 30/30. done me well, only slide was on a massive diesel patch.

take it easy on roundabouts (and the roads in general, i guess), especially in this weather. there's going to be a combination of crap over them, diesel, gravel, leaves, and it won't be long before the gritters are out too.

get out on the bike asap though, don't let it put you off Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your lucky with your first fall that only thing broken is the lever.

I had my first fall about 7 weeks ago when i was turning at a t-junction, target fixated into the corner and accidentally applied throttle as i panicked a little when i realised i was cutting it too fine and tried to break a little to turn up. Resulting mess was me hitting the curb and going flying over the handle bars, breaking my wrist in two places and looking like a giant idiot in the process.

When i look back at it all i can do is laugh, shake my head and feel a little embarrassed, but i cant wait to get back out there! Defo know how to take a corner now haha
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CG Sam wrote:
I tried to pull away in neutral on my CBT, realised, but for some unknown reason I didn't release the throttle and dumped the clutch after selecting first. That was my first off.

The other was a minor one on a roundabout, back just slipped on some diesel or oil, being half asleep instead of relaxing like I've done before and keeping loose and a neutral throttle I tensed right up and snapped the throttle closed. Sliding across the road was the result. Lesson? Don't ride half asleep!


I came off on the CBT as well - leaves and brambles all over their 'mini roundabout' how some hella bruising when the bike landed on me (Fun fact I'm capable of lifting a motorbike off myself on my own lol!)
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