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kawakid
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Time for Ed to go? Reply with quote

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/08/ed-miliband-crisis-labour-mps-back-leadership-change

Now most voters, will probably see me to the right, but I have voted labour in the past.

However, in my opinion Ed is not prime ministerial, he just isn't. He might be a nice bloke, but he is an odd ball and I wouldn't trust him in an international crisis.

I know we don't have a presidential system, but would you / could you vote for him.

It would be interested to see, what labour voters on the forum think.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

He can't eat a bacon sandwich, therefore he is not fit to lead the country.

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PostPosted: 22:15 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

He has to go, but I think the Labour chaps have left it too late to lead a coup... If they had done that this time last year, I think they would be a shoe in at the next election. If they make him fall on his sword now they just look desperate and lose any veneer of propriety.

Plus there is the added problem of there being no one else from the shadow cabinet who is vaguely electable in a presidential style election...
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the smart money has just dropped him.

Is it too late for Tony Blair to parachute in to a constituency for one! Last! Comeback! Thinking
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mk1JewSF wrote:
Ste wrote:
He can't eat a bacon sandwich, therefore he is not fit to lead the country.

NEW LABOUR LEADER SHORTLIST REVEALED:
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Except Burnham.


Who ironically is the person I think is the most (for a given value of most) electable front bencher...
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who, Andy Burnham?

Well, yes. Career political animal and greasy pole climber, never rocks the boat, never went off message because he doesn't have one of his own, looks ever so lovely, doesn't he have a kind face, Mavis?. Sick

You may not have heard, but the Scootch Labour Party are in such a fuckest uppest mess that even Gorgon Broon won't wear that albatross.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
Milliband is a champagne socialist and everyone knows it, there's too many toff's in the labour party, needs more working class folk, even if that means bringing prescott back.

Middle ground, chap, middle ground. Who else are the staunch lefties and coffin dodgers going to vote for? (OK, SNP and Plaid Cymru in the Regions). Mumsnet are the demographic that matters.

They essentially need another Tony Blair, i.e. a messianic mentalist with such unshakable self conviction that they can adopt a new lie and believe it to be true more often than they change their underwear.

Miliband certainly has the delusions of grandeur, but lacks the panache to pull off the act. He'll properly blub when they finally put the knife in. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milliband looks like someone totally out of his depth which is bloody frightening when you look at the rest of the pond spawn in the hot seats of their respective parties, Cameron & Clegg.

Jesus, what a buch of nonentities. You remember spitting image with their mock up of John Major (the grey man) but he had more personality than any of the modern lot.

Actually, bring back spitting image Dance!
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Labour is fooked, esp here in Scotland
looks like they will be wiped out at the next elections going by the polls
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would anyone even notice if he did go?
That's the real question. He looks like a fresh produce floor manager
at Sainsburys.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah. Labour want to throw the next election, they don't want to be left holding the can.

Some serious issues economically need to be addressed, and they can't kick the can down the road much further!
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Unions were short sighted, thinking by doing deals with Ed they could have some control. Of course they should have all got behind the other brother and by not doing so, have shot the party in the foot.

Alan Johnson is eminently more electable than Ed, but he'd be a fool to put in now.

Labour elected the wrong person and having a leadership crisis 7 months before an election is the worst thing they can do.

They must all realise their mistake and shut up and get behind Ed, for the next 7 months at least, to try and avoid a ConKip coalition.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly don't think Labour stand a chance Laughing They needed to of removed Ed ages ago Rolling Eyes

The election is going to be an embarrassment for them!
I can certainly sense that a lot of labour voters will be making a long jump across the political spectrum Thinking
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Would anyone even notice if he did go?
That's the real question. He looks like a fresh produce floor manager
at Sainsburys.


Agree.

There's certainly a combination of character, posture, mannerisms, personality, etc which can easily give you an idea of how someone really is. Ed Milliband is definitely not someone who gives off a 'country leader' vibe. Honestly though I don't think even 1% of our current lot of politicians meet the right criteria. And even if there is the right person in charge, I wonder how much they'd just be a puppet having their strings pulled by the total idiots around them. Actually I wonder if the idiots are also just having their strings pulled. Surely the majority of MPs do have good human intentions. They're just stuck behind a load of old rules and traditions that they can't stand up to or change because they'll lose their job before they can have any positive effect. Just a thought Thinking .
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: Time for Ed to go? Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:

It would be interested to see, what labour voters on the forum think.


What, you mean there's a labour party in the UK? When did this happen?

All I'll say on the state of UK politics is, if Guy Fawkes was alive today, he'd almost certainly get my backing. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Surely the majority of MPs do have good human intentions. They're just stuck behind a load of old rules and traditions that they can't stand up to or change because they'll lose their job before they can have any positive effect. Just a thought Thinking .


I think most start that way. But eventually they probably just get so frustrated that it's just easier to jump on the self-serving bandwagon.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
Surely the majority of MPs do have good human intentions.

I think most start that way.

Counterpoint: by the time a typical political animal has licked enough... boots... and climbed the greasy pole high enough to become a parliamentary candidate, I would assume that they are already jaded, cynical and completely out of touch with anything beyond the nuances of the party political system.

There are obvious exceptions like Steve Baker, but they're memorable because they're exceptions.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Would anyone even notice if he did go?
That's the real question. He looks like a fresh produce floor manager
at Sainsburys.


No, he'd be in charge of wet fish, surely?
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
grr666 wrote:
Would anyone even notice if he did go?
That's the real question. He looks like a fresh produce floor manager
at Sainsburys.


No, he'd be in charge of wet fish, surely?

Nah, definitely vegetables.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I have no intention of voting Labour next year from their perspective I think they should double down and just try and hold on to as many seats as they can, then worry about a new leader for 2020. I very much believe Cameron will be PM this time next year, however if it's another coalition it may or may not be the Lib Dems. People are murmuring UKIP and from some quarters even a Con SNP coalition if Labour get as annihilated in Scotland as some think. IMO that is an outside chance though.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:

Nah, definitely vegetables.


We need to put down the carrots, get around the salad counter and look at ways to prevent this from happening. Produce like this on shop shelves is wrong, while decomposition is still going on.
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