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PostPosted: 15:55 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Just Failed MOD 1. Reply with quote

All was going swimmingly on the MT03 until the emergency stop, on the 'practice' lap I was 1mph too slow, so I rolled the throttle on and went for the stop. To my annoyance I must've stamped on the rear brake causing me to lock up the rear for a good few meters, nearly had a foot down on the figure of eight too. Rolling Eyes

On the bright side I 'rode like a demon' on the way to the test centre, so that gives me some hope at least. Re-booked for the 7th now so hopefully it won't happen again. Off to go practice some emergency stops now Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try to completely forget about the rear brake until you almost stopped, or just use it progressively.
Also don't fuck about with the gears just concentrate on breaking, stalling the bike is not a fail.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I failed on my mod 1 ,put my foot down on the bloody slalom, what really annoys me is that I've never put my foot down before. The examiner said it was a shame because I was spot on on everything else with no minors. Nerves I gues,onwards and upwards.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlucky...Mod1 is a joke that should be treated as such anyway, it costs what, £15? just a practice run each time until you pass.
If you can afford to own a bike you can afford that a few times no problem. Thumbs Up

Sounds like you just had test nerves similar to me, except mine made me gun it a bit too much on the Swerve and E-brake, and he gave me a telling off afterwards. Shifty
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlucky.
As already said the front brake will do 95% of the stopping on the emergency stop.
You pretty much just token use the rear brake.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:
Unlucky...Mod1 is a joke that should be treated as such anyway, it costs what, £15? just a practice run each time until you pass.
If you can afford to own a bike you can afford that a few times no problem. Thumbs Up

Sounds like you just had test nerves similar to me, except mine made me gun it a bit too much on the Swerve and E-brake, and he gave me a telling off afterwards. Shifty


I'm treating it as a practice run so hopefully shouldn't be as nervous next time. I wish it was only £15 but I'm using the training school's bike so it works out at £90 including the test fee. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just pretend to use the rear brake, don't think i used it at all on the e stop, remember you don't have to stop like your life depends on it, the examiner is just looking for the front forks to compress.
Think of it as a swift stop rahter than an "emergency" stop Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used an MT-03 for my tests and also failed my Mod 1 for locking up the rear. IIRC the MT had a brembo set up (good brakes) and it's a light bike. It doesn't take much to lock up the rear, especially on the MT-03.

As others have said, just don't use the rear brake at all. I didn't even have my foot on the pedal for my second attempt, so that it wasn't even a possibility for me to press the brake pedal.

Good luck next time Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder, will the Mod2 still include an emergency stop bit in 2016 once mandatory ABS on motorbikes is in force? Thinking
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yean I watched a guy fail his doing the same thing few months ago. I was kind of cringing a bit was a wobbly stop.
slap it in second gear thats all you need for the hole test and like nashgt said stalling is not a problem, best tip I can stay is listen to what your engine sounds like at the correct speed then you can just focus on the stopping part.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
Still have the estop on the car test even though ABS is fairly standard on most cars (although I know its not a mandatory exercise).

You need hardly any rear brake on the MT-03, the rear does like to lock, and anyway I thought it was standard practice on your mod 1 to only cover the rear brake Smile

What's the MT-03 like for the figure of 8 and u-turn? I would have thought it would be tricky not having much lock.


I was told to use a little back but mainly front but for some reason I did the complete opposite.

The figure of eight nearly threw me when i lost revs and I could feel the bike starting to lean and was about to require a foot down but I managed to get some more power on and lift it back up if that makes sense. U turn was fine. I'd imagine something like a cb500 would be better to learn on though.

I can't work out if I like MT03's or not, I doubt I'd buy one. I find the bike darts off when accelerating, probably user error though. And the vibrations are horrendous.
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck on your second attempt mate, I got it second time. First time was foot down on the fig of 8 which left me feeling pretty defeated but determined the next time round.

The trick to the E-stop is that you rest your foot on the rear brake without consciously applying any force, the force of braking hard on the front should automatically make your foot apply some pressure to the rear brake by throwing you a little forward in the saddle. At least that's what happened to me anyway.

Whenever I would use the rear consciously it would always lock up cause it's harder to focus on doing two things at once, so if you can avoid that then you're avoiding a potential fail fairly easily by forgetting the rear brake entirely.
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PostPosted: 02:06 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MT-03, £90 test fee...and seeing your location is stated as York, you wouldn't happen to be with Ride 4 Life, out of Strensall? Laughing They're a good bunch, I did my training with them, passed both MODs on the first go, thank fuck for that.

I had a bit of rear-wheel locking during MOD1 practice, this was pointed out and from thenceforth I always made the conscious effort to favour the front brake a lot more during the emergency stop. Rear brake is risky because it's easy to lock up and also doesn't add much to your stopping power, which is a real lose-lose situation so just tap and hold it lightly while you progressively pull in the front brake.
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PostPosted: 04:10 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
I wonder, will the Mod2 still include an emergency stop bit in 2016 once mandatory ABS on motorbikes is in force? Thinking


Just because ABS will be mandatory on new bikes, doesn't mean that all bikes taking the test or being ridden on the roads will be.

ABS is a completely failsafe system. At least in respect to the braking system. By that I mean if it fails, the bike remains safe, you do not lose braking.


All it takes is for a dicky wheel speed sensor or a blown fuse and you've got no ABS, just regular brakes.


IMO it will always be prudent to practice emergency braking whether on the most technologically advanced ABS-equipped anti-dive traction and wheelie controlled bike or on a basic-as-you-like UJM.


ABS on a bike should not cut in on the road under normal (or reasonably expected) conditions. Including if a car infront suddenly brakes.
I've ridden 6 or 7 different bikes with ABS, braked very hard on all of them without having the ABS kick in, half the time in damp conditions as well.

I see it as a safety tool there to help you should you get things wrong, not as a tool to use regularly.




So yes I see it being on the test forever. I think it should be on all driving tests as well, (it might be now, but it wasn't back when I passed mine).
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uncle fester wrote:
I failed on my mod 1 ,put my foot down on the bloody slalom, what really annoys me is that I've never put my foot down before. The examiner said it was a shame because I was spot on on everything else with no minors.

What's a shame is that they don't use their discretion like they do for just about every part of Mod 2.

Dropping the bike is a serious fault. Not dropping it...
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
I wonder, will the Mod2 still include an emergency stop bit in 2016 once mandatory ABS on motorbikes is in force? Thinking


I did mine on a bike with ABS, it's just a fail if you trigger it rather than lock it up. They can still see it.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:

I did mine on a bike with ABS, it's just a fail if you trigger it rather than lock it up. They can still see it.


Is that for real?
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I did mine on a bike with ABS, it's just a fail if you trigger it rather than lock it up. They can still see it.

If there's an examiner or instructor out there who thinks that you shouldn't make use of the (soon to be mandatory) equipment fitted to the bike, they need a slap. Laughing

Indicators are too new fangled, make hand signals.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
dydey90 wrote:
I did mine on a bike with ABS, it's just a fail if you trigger it rather than lock it up. They can still see it.

If there's an examiner or instructor out there who thinks that you shouldn't make use of the (soon to be mandatory) equipment fitted to the bike, they need a slap. Laughing

Indicators are too new fangled, make hand signals.
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It's like the old putting your foot down on the U turn. What difference does it make and why should it be a fail?

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PostPosted: 14:01 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:

It's like the old putting your foot down on the U turn. What difference does it make and why should it be a fail?

Stoopid rulez. Folded arms


that one I mostly agree with. It's not the U Turn that's important per se, it's the control over the bike that is the test.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Dave70 wrote:

It's like the old putting your foot down on the U turn. What difference does it make and why should it be a fail?

Stoopid rulez. Folded arms


that one I mostly agree with. It's not the U Turn that's important per se, it's the control over the bike that is the test.



But controlling a bike isn't usually that hard, if you're doing it properly.

When I was waiting for my Mod 1 and Mod 2s I was watching the others on the Mod 1 test, and maybe 1 in about 8 people were using their rear brake during slow handling.

It was drilled into me by my instructor to use it, and I found it makes it soooo much easier to control, as well as the fact it makes your turns much tighter. Why only one other person I saw used the back brake I don't know, but the rest of them were wobbling or making much wider turns but no telltale brake light on.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Llama-Farmer wrote:

It was drilled into me by my instructor to use it


Me too. And yes, certainly helps.
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