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notbike
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: MCE wants to sue my arse Reply with quote

So a while ago I made a thread about the insurance company scam artists at MCE taking £50 out of my account on 1st October for insurance on my R125 when I'd sold it two weeks before and called them to cancel on the 19th September and they'd confirmed I'd have no more payments coming out.

I got refunded through my bank and called MCE up a couple of times and explained myself over and over as you do, and apparently it was all okay and dealt with (despite at one point the dickhead on the phone trying to tell me to prove I sold the bike which tbh I do have proof of.)

Anyway, after no mention of a cancellation fee, they've now come up with the idea that I owe them something like £63 because I didn't pay a cancellation fee at the time.

If I don't pay them they're going to give me a court summons apparently within 3 days. I'm about to call them up and give them an earful to see what I can get done but.. Wtf are these dickheads playing at? Do I have a leg to stand on?
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them to go fuck themselves, record phone converstaion then post on here Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd wait for summons and go to court with my proof, they probably count on you not appearing and the judgement going in their favour due to that.

If it does go in your favour at court be sure to pursue them for any and every cost incurred by yourself from the start of the entire fiasco. Maybe keep a record of everything that occurs to and send it around the biking press see if anyone wants to publish it.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Re: MCE wants to sue my arse Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
So a while ago I made a thread about the insurance company scam artists at MCE taking £50 out of my account on 1st October for insurance on my R125 when I'd sold it two weeks before and called them to cancel on the 19th September and they'd confirmed I'd have no more payments coming out.

I got refunded through my bank and called MCE up a couple of times and explained myself over and over as you do, and apparently it was all okay and dealt with (despite at one point the dickhead on the phone trying to tell me to prove I sold the bike which tbh I do have proof of.)

Anyway, after no mention of a cancellation fee, they've now come up with the idea that I owe them something like £63 because I didn't pay a cancellation fee at the time.

If I don't pay them they're going to give me a court summons apparently within 3 days. I'm about to call them up and give them an earful to see what I can get done but.. Wtf are these dickheads playing at? Do I have a leg to stand on?


Is it deffo MCE that contacted you?
Sounds like a debt collection agency doing it's thing IMO.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a cancellation fee mentioned in the contract? I'm not sure that a judge will look very kindly on the insurance company for jumping straight into court action. That said, if the cancellation fee is mentioned clearly in the terms and you didn't pay it, you should pay it and have done with it.

On a side note, they do sound like a bunch of aggressive twonks.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I'm up for court. Never done it before, but pretty sure they're the ones who fucked up and not me. It doesn't seem like a difficult case to argue, I mean they made the error and charged me an extra month's insurance when I'd cancelled half way through and sold my vehicle (I have proof I sold it).

Although I'd definitely go to court, it sounds like a pain in the arse to me so how likely are they to drop it when I start yelling down the phone to them?

I'm not backing down, arseholes trying to tell me it'll affect my credit pfft.

CaNsA wrote:

Is it deffo MCE that contacted you?
Sounds like a debt collection agency doing it's thing IMO.


Yeah it's a debt collection agency.

turningCircle wrote:
Is there a cancellation fee mentioned in the contract?


No when I called up to cancel back on the 19th and apparently it was "all done" they said there's no cancellation fee, only now have they just changed their tune all the way in December ffs?
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pass the popcorn
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Pass the popcorn

Laughing what does this mean
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's a debt agency I wouldn't phone them. The court shit may just be them bumping their gums, by phoning them you confirm you exist and at the address they sent the letter to so it will just put you on their radar.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
If it's a debt agency I wouldn't phone them. The court shit may just be them bumping their gums, by phoning them you confirm you exist and at the address they sent the letter to so it will just put you on their radar.


So should I ignore them and hope it goes away?
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before going further you need to look at the two elements.
They told you there would be no more (monthly) charges and confirmed the policy was cancelled early.
I would be surprised if they don't have a clearly stated early cancellation charge, which you agreed to when taking it out.
Most of them do this now; you will have to pay it.

It stinks, and the cancellation charge can be more than not telling them anything and paying the last instalments.
However they do have set up costs for the policy and if someone agrees to a year then cancels after a couple of months their costs might be more than they got back - you can see why they need to think about this.

If you go to court and lose, they will have you for costs too.
If the court case threat comes to nothing you might still be credit blacklisted which can cause problems for years even with entirely unrelated matters.


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PostPosted: 11:11 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:


So should I ignore them and hope it goes away?


I would. Though at the same time get all your evidence collected and ready so if a court summons does land on the doormat you can just rock up to court prepared.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They didn't send me anything back after I sent the declaration off to them. So no, nothing in writing.

Lol ffs I don't want blacklisted credit cause of this bollocks.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
CaNsA wrote:
Pass the popcorn

Laughing what does this mean


as you do @ the cinema .. sit down pop corn to hand waitin with anticipation at the forthcoming entertainment.. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
They didn't send me anything back after I sent the declaration off to them. So no, nothing in writing.

Lol ffs I don't want blacklisted credit cause of this bollocks.


Yeah but come on -you probably did have something in writing. Those booklets are like tolstoyean epics, tefflonian n00b castigations even. Isn't it theoretically possible that some of the many thousands of small print clauses mentioned a cancellation fee? Let's assume so - because it's not an outlandish assumption. And if they did, do you think some twit's off-hand comment on the phone has more clout than what's written in black and white on a legally binding document? If you no longer have the documentation to check, you're potentially on a bit of a sticky wicket imo.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
Yeah I'm up for court. Never done it before, but pretty sure they're the ones who fucked up and not me. It doesn't seem like a difficult case to argue, I mean they made the error and charged me an extra month's insurance when I'd cancelled half way through and sold my vehicle (I have proof I sold it).


So lets get this totally clear before any more crap gets posted.

You were paying for your insurance monthly then?

If so then it's not just a simply cancel and nothing further to pay. As you took out a loan at the start of the policy.

So you need to dig out your T/C and credit agreement (you will have one) and then work out just how much credit you were entitled to cancelling the policy 6 months in ( At a guess less than 25% of the policy cost) against what you still owed on the loan. As well as any fee's listed.

But still raise it as a complaint with MCE and say until you hear from their complaints team. You are not going to do anything and that you will refer to FOS on the fact you have received a so called court papers. Yet received nothing else stating that you owed them anything.

WHAT EVER YOU DO when on the phone to them STAY CALM AND DO NOT SHOUT ABUSE.... You need them to help you. NOT make matters worse.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:


Yeah it's a debt collection agency.



Simple then! Thumbs Up

You have no contract with that agency, never had have and you owe them nothing, just take whatever they sent you and write 'No Contract, Return To Sender' on the envelope and pop it in the post. Job Done! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had nothing but trouble from mce myself .
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just tell them if they don't stop picking on you your gonna go down there office and throw a massive wobbler of epic proportions Mad

They''ll be whirlwind punches and sorts of scary stuff coming there way.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay the money, if it went to court, £20 says you lose.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I've got 3 2 options I've been thinking about pursuing.

1. Call them up, thus acknowledging the alleged debt, and tell them I'm not paying them because they screwed up and that I'll see them in court. (In an attempt to avoid court and get the debt dropped)

2. Ignore until it goes away, then go to court over it, only evidence I have is the thing from the DVLA saying I'm no longer the registered keeper of my old bike, and that they told me my policy was cancelled on the 19th of September with no cancellation fee.

3. Pay £63 for no reason.

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PostPosted: 17:48 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

insurance companies have an over seein authority ..
the name escapes me but you`ll find it on the documentation they sent you.
when I got charged off a broker I rang the authority asked for advice..
followed said advice and my £20 fee was waved..
was levied cos of auto re-new but had e-mailed tellin not to..
it must be said I did this much earlier inproceedings
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
insurance companies have an over seein authority ..


FOS But to allow a complaint to go to them.
You 1st have to raise it with the company involved and then either wait 8 weeks or untill your complaint gets deadlocked.
Cost of it going to FOS is a darn sight more than most complaints are about and only the Co's have to pay (tad unfair) as win or lose they pay.

So meef is going to have to engage with MCE on this.

meef wrote:

2. Ignore until it goes away, then go to court over it, only evidence I have is the thing from the DVLA saying I'm no longer the registered keeper of my old bike, and that they told me my policy was cancelled on the 19th of September with no cancellation fee.


Well I hope you have it in writing that there were no cancellation fee's. But still think that as it was a monthly agreement. That while there might be NO FEE'S that it does not mean you still owe money on the loan....
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 06 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raise a written complaint.

Being an insurance company they are obliged that all of their calls are recorded, not some, not most, ALL - they are also obliged to be factual in the information that they present to you within those calls - i.e if they say something that they shouldn't they then have to deal with the consequences.

Write a complaint, get the calls listened to and if you really did get told there was nothing more to pay then you will have no worries Wink
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