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CG Sam
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: ANPR cameras Reply with quote

Got into a discussion at work and we were wondering what the in car ANPR cameras show up if a plate doesn't alert them, and what it shows if it does?

Does anybody know? I tried googling and there just seemed to be a lot of speculation about it.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

owner details
taxed
mot'd
insured

Then you can pull the licence history of the owner.

Thats all I know about it, there's prolly more
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that if it flags up or not? Or both?
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It scans every plate it can see.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANPR really means just the bit that reads the number plate, but is used to mean the whole shebang... So... 'ANPR' connects to a database. The 'flag up' is audible and visible automated warning, but... They can use it to get all the details any time, including by entering the plate manually.

https://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00296/04_dash_296343k.jpg

See the history on the right? Well, that's everything accessible, although not necessarily as prominently as if it set off the automated warning.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tax, Mot, Insurance. Anyone can get these from the internet anyway.
Apart from that I think it pings up if the police have a marker on the vehicle, eg. it's known to be used by drug dealers, has a S59 notice and so on.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As per the picture above, the ANPR cameras snap a picture of every vehicle the car passes, and the system checks it against various databases. If there is no alert then the screen just flashes up the image of the next car as it passes. If it picks something up, it will sound an alert and flash up on the screen what the problem is.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other than posting pictures from the Sunday Times, do any of you actually know what the various pandas and patrol cars in use by various Farces can actually do? Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I strongly suspect that they cannot read three line numberplates but I have no proof of this.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Other than posting pictures from the Sunday Times, do any of you actually know what the various pandas and patrol cars in use by various Farces can actually do? Thinking



They know all including the driver.

Was stopped at a check point a few years ago. They seemed to know who I was. When I'd passed my test and other things on my licence like where I lived at the time.

Cop seemed most disappointed I wasn't on a restricted licence.

They then looked over the bike and noticed the missing tax disc (it'd been stolen). I remember it well because he then tried to issue me a penalty for not displaying tax.

However the DVLA record had a record of me getting another one and he seemed disappointed at this.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Other than posting pictures from the Sunday Times, do any of you actually know what the various pandas and patrol cars in use by various Farces can actually do? Thinking

I do. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Other than posting pictures from the Sunday Times, do any of you actually know what the various pandas and patrol cars in use by various Farces can actually do? Thinking


Hey, hey... I read the article too... And have watched police camera action. I've done my research and have received my bachelors so am a qualified armchair ANPR expert.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe they bring up none traffic related stuff about the registered keeper like none payments of fines and outstanding warrants.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 10 Dec 2014    Post subject: Re: ANPR cameras Reply with quote

CG Sam wrote:
Got into a discussion at work and we were wondering what the in car ANPR cameras show up if a plate doesn't alert them, and what it shows if it does?

Does anybody know? I tried googling and there just seemed to be a lot of speculation about it.

ANPR was developed in GUB Belfast, it was originally designed to detect "Movers" or known people with terrorist connections in the late 1980s, the system was later adapted by the Traffic Branch N.I and later again by the police forces of GB to detect vehicle details via numberplate. It is a flawed system that requires input from the MIB which in turn requires input from insurance companies along with a lengthy time delay for the process.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 10 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was given a lift off a copper not long after my crash, so got to see all the ANPR detection stuff working.

It pretty much scans every plate and every now and then refreshes with another, just giving general info as already mentioned.

Every now and then, the screen would flash with red bits and a little red info thing would show up under the offending plate with a snippet of info. A few I saw were "disqualified named driver" and "stolen".

This then stayed on the screen until the copper pressed a button (touchscreen) to make it carry on with what it was doing. I told him I wouldn't mind going on a blue light run but he wasn't allowed to so instead he had to let people driving stolen vehicles carry on Laughing

The system is flawed though. He mentioned how my dads car was uninsured as we drove passed it and I mentioned that my street is a private road anyway. I mentioned it to my dad who then had a go at his insurers as it was renewed about 2 month prior Laughing

It annoyed him more as he'd had an accident and only found out after that they hadn't renewed it, meaning he was technically not insured, after he rang them up telling them too a few years ago. Luckily their recorded phone messages proved they messed up with that one!
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 10 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

krarkol wrote:

This then stayed on the screen until the copper pressed a button (touchscreen) to make it carry on with what it was doing. I told him I wouldn't mind going on a blue light run but he wasn't allowed to so instead he had to let people driving stolen vehicles carry on Laughing

The system is flawed though.


I genuinely hope you are talking out of your arse, although I suspect you are not. Sad
...and to think some of those dipshits wonder why nobody trusts them.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 10 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not talking out of my arse Laughing

I think it was down to the fact that they'd need permission to have me onboard while performing police duties plus the fact there were 2 coppers in the front and me in the back with a ton of gear (high vis jackets, white traffic copper hats etc) so there wouldn't have been any room to make an arrest anyway!
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 10 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anpr also shows if a cars stolen or marked for drugs etc Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 02:51 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
owner details
taxed
mot'd
insured

Then you can pull the licence history of the owner.

Thats all I know about it, there's prolly more
It's more a case of it flagging attention to what they want it to, I have passed traffic cars in a car with no tax and not been stopped, also stopped and had my reg checked over radio with no mention of no tax.

This method stops them getting pinged about tens of dodgy checks per hour in certain areas, and stuff that's prioritised on the system being pinged at them (like a car or bike used in ongoing crimes/stolen going through a checkpoint).
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PostPosted: 02:58 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also don't confuse ANPR with PNC, ANPR system isn't how that picture shows, it simply notifies a police operative that some particular reg did something somewhere, where as PNC is just the national file system that stores everything about a person including associated links, addresses and vehicles (useful for S59 enforcement).

PNC Data would show address and licence info if it mattered inline with criminal suspicions or activity; ANPR would rarely be used in conjunction with it unless someone was specifically trying to locate a certain person known for using certain vehicles.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not correct ANPR pulls down PNC data for the vehicle, like, for example, a stolen marker. They are very much linked, in fact the ANPR cameras would be no use at all without a link to PNC as all it would do is read the number plate which the copper can already do with his eyes.

Most of the other stuff is correct only I believe it doesn't show road tax. It will only show if the vehicle is SORN or is far enough out of tax for the DVLA to have put a marker on the vehicle.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 26 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

matto wrote:
That's not correct ANPR pulls down PNC data for the vehicle, like, for example, a stolen marker. They are very much linked, in fact the ANPR cameras would be no use at all without a link to PNC as all it would do is read the number plate which the copper can already do with his eyes.

Most of the other stuff is correct only I believe it doesn't show road tax. It will only show if the vehicle is SORN or is far enough out of tax for the DVLA to have put a marker on the vehicle.
Ok. Laughing

I know how the system is supposed to work, I also know how it's actually used. Karma

(and fyi, the reasoning is part of why ANPR is so outright useless, how many foreign registered vehicles do you think it picks up?
Yep, none.)
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 26 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
https://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00296/04_dash_296343k.jpg


I like it how the screen shows that the 'Police' sticker has been identified as the reg plate.
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