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 Posted: 10:00 - 18 Dec 2014 Post subject: Interesting engine design |
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It's way too complicated = expensive to produce and maintain.
RTU engine - https://www.rtugroup.com/animation
Specs:
5-cylinder Turbo 2.5 liter
Power: 598kW (814 HP)
Torque: 1.000+ Nm (dyno limit)
Radiatorless Water System
Exhaust Gas Temp. 351°C
No catalityc converter needed
1.850 rpm - 115km/h - 5.3l/100km
Not sure if fictional or real, but there are videos from testing all over the news in Slovakia, so who knows? They even got money from the gov. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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 Posted: 15:35 - 18 Dec 2014 Post subject: Re: Interesting engine design |
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Thanks for sharing, that s**t was cool.  ____________________ Semper Paratus |
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 Posted: 21:39 - 19 Dec 2014 Post subject: |
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | It's way too complicated |
It's unfamiliar. That doesn't make it over-complicated. You spotted the lack of valves and valvetrain, right?
Thing is, a Wankel is significantly simpler, smaller and lighter, and how many of them are in use in cars?
I think we just like our familiar complicated, shafty lumps, because we've got used to them. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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yeah rotorys need the apex seals done pretty regulary,
but its an easy job, whats not easy is pulling off all the gubbins that are now attached to them,
back in the late 90s i had a rx3 bridgeport 13b, no turbo, no fancy electronics,
just a webber carb,
the engine could be pulled out stripped down seals done and back in in a couple of hours,
biggest problem with rotarys is the fuel efficiency, there is none  ____________________ the humans are dead
I kick arse for the lord
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| Triton Thrasher |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | RhynoCZ wrote: | It's way too complicated | I think we just like our familiar complicated, shafty lumps, because we've got used to them. |
Interesting point, but still, the way the ''crank'' moves in that New Zealander's engine and the rods pushing it just feels very, very odd.
Also, there was an four stroke engine head with not conventional valves (there are seals under the rotors with possibly very poor durability):
Coates engine
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Mmm, I expect the next tranche of development will be camless with solenoid valves, if only because it'll help with scamming emissions. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Solenoid, hydraulic, yes. Cams have had their chips, although Honda will doubtless push their VVVVVVTEC as far as it shall go. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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I know this might sounds stupid, but are two strokes dead? I mean, there were no moving parts in the head, extremely light yet powerful units and so on.  ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | I know this might sounds stupid, but are two strokes dead? I mean, there were no moving parts in the head, extremely light yet powerful units and so on.  |
Emissions, sadly.
The anti-bike brigade keeps trotting out some rather bizarre claims that mopeds have worse emissions than buses. If they're based on anything other than mentalism, it'll be 2 strokes they're on about. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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2 stroke should be the standard for all engines
Yeah we'd all be breathing in a lot of barely singed hydrocarbons.... but what better smell is there?  |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 328 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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