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Wonko The Sane
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 18 Dec 2014    Post subject: did I hit something slippery or just cock up? Reply with quote

Rode most the way home and stopped in at a mates shop for a cuppa to let traffic disappear a bit before carrying on.

down the slip road, merged into traffic, noticed the car in front was starting to brake so applied the brakes as I otherwise would, realise we're not just slowing, we're stopping, so squeeze a little bit more, again, nothing out of the norm

I'm now running out of room and the rear is fishtailing (so I must have locked the back but I don't recall stomping on)

Managed to stop with a couple of inch spare (really thought I was going to hit the car) and after coming to a stop found the engine had stopped (don't recall feeling it stall)


So, what did I do wrong?

I don't recall grabbing / stomping on the brake, just that I was running out of space (hadn't been following close)

or did I simply find a bit of tarmac with less grip than elsewhere.

I did find a quiet slip road to try the brakes on again and everything seemed fine and normal
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 18 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

the roads are slippery at the moment, I've locked the back a few times lately...

Prob a comination of both things
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 18 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just slippy road surfaces.remember the 4 second rule Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 18 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was drifting the bandit earlier Shocked
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 18 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidewinder wrote:
Just slippy road surfaces.remember the 4 second rule Thumbs Up


Yeh, I was keeping distance, haven't had a problem with grip from the road pilot 3's that I've had on, was just thinking today that the tyres are a lot better than the BT23's that were on last winter!

Have been taking it steady


Thanks all - going in the car tomorrow to work as have to bring all the christmas presents home, had everything delivered to work as I'm never home!
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

clutch in at any point?
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PostPosted: 00:44 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you left the clutch engaged then that would explain the stalling and possibly extra engine braking causing the back wheel to lock too?
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roads are shit and covered in diesel. Small drama, not many kittens killed. Don't dwell on it, just leave yourself more room.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

SofaBear wrote:
clutch in at any point?


I thought I did but perhaps not.

As Roger has said

Misjudged road conditions based on other sections of road already ridden over - mild cockup then so arguably avoidable
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many slip roads lead off from a roundabout. Many roundabouts have petrol stations. Fuel spills at the pump get on your tyres and spread down the nearby roads as the vehicles leave after brimming the tank and whizz around the roundabout, making them lethal. Trade vehicle drivers are the worst (B.T. and building and road contractors, parcel delivery vans etc.) as they are always in a rush and fill up to the brim because the boss is paying. I hate roundabouts with filling stations. In the wet you can usually see the multi-coloured fuel streaks.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have noticed that my local council seems to have found a way to save money by not using Road Sweepers so often, and some of the roads around here are covered in a thin mulch of rotting leaves - which is almost as bad as diesel spills, and harder to notice.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

spriddler wrote:
Many slip roads lead off from a roundabout. Many roundabouts have petrol stations. Fuel spills at the pump get on your tyres and spread down the nearby roads as the vehicles leave after brimming the tank and whizz around the roundabout, making them lethal. Trade vehicle drivers are the worst (B.T. and building and road contractors, parcel delivery vans etc.) as they are always in a rush and fill up to the brim because the boss is paying. I hate roundabouts with filling stations. In the wet you can usually see the multi-coloured fuel streaks.


True but no fuel station here.

I'd gotten down the slip road and merged into traffic, the car in from applied his brakes as I merged and I did likewise. Didn't see any rainbow patches.

Perhaps still a bit flustered from my lights having all gone out and having to replace the fuse in the rain.

Incident learned from hopefully
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Locked the rear up the other day - but it's a drum and I hadn't been on it for a nearly a week. I know it gets snatchy due to rust quickly building up on the inside, creating more friction. So I was being careful whenever I needed to slow down. But the roads were even worse than I thought - damp all over, no dry lines. Been like that for a week or more, with no decent rain to wash them. Luckily I was only going slowly, but still - surprising how slippery the surface can get when it's been permanently damp for days on end. Especially the busier town roads, which this was.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
no decent rain to wash them

Ha, that reminds me. Last Tuesday it was torrential up here, stair rods hitting the road so hard that it was making a "BOOOM" sound, everything was awash.

It also created the best grip I've felt for months, it was like riding in the dry rather than the moist oily arse clenching conditions that are the norm from September to May. Bring it on.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must say the Michelin pilot activs on the divvy are far superior to the bt45's it had on before.the grip is excellent on these cold slippy roads Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 20 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exhilarating, though, to fishtail and come out of it still upright, innit Cool Cool Cool

Done it once in Hyde Park on a rainy afternoon. Not sure who was shitting themselves more: me, or the taxi driver I somehow managed not to plough into Shocked
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 20 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once put my knee through a guys rear light while sliding in avoidance mode.

Surprisingly HE apologised to ME for not jumping the amber/red light that we were both aiming for. Confused

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PostPosted: 08:54 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

clutch in and applying the rear brake a smidgen to hard will lock it really quick in my experience. if I am ever breaking, its hard to get out of the habbit of break in clutch in approach. Car driving habits pfft
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't seen what bike it is.

As others have said, slippy road, cold tyres etc but can't hurt to double check tyre pressures and tread depth.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Re: did I hit something slippery or just cock up? Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
So, what did I do wrong?

You displayed fucking terrible obs.


Buy a Fireblade.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 22 Dec 2014    Post subject: Re: did I hit something slippery or just cock up? Reply with quote

Carvel wrote:
Wonko The Sane wrote:
So, what did I do wrong?

You displayed fucking terrible obs.


Buy a Fireblade.


Made a start on buying a fireblade, the ZZR has fireblade calipers up front
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