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Jonathan A
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: CarPlan Coolant Reply with quote

Im going to be giving my bike a service this week, and the coolant is due for a change…

Does anyone know if ethylene glycol coolant, like this:

https://www.wilko.com/invt/0296722

is ok for an aluminium engine? Confused

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PostPosted: 13:40 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes - I have been using that one for years, but the full-strength version, rather than ready-mixed - just because I'm too tight to pay that much for plain water!
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant thanks! It beats the £12 I spent on coolant last time Embarassed
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can measure the ratio of 60% distilled water and 40% unmixed coolant,this will be better for your engine as anti-freeze is not very good at moving heat away from hot spots in the engine.

That and a 50/50 mix is good for countries that have a climate that might go down to -30c - which is not very likely in the UK Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:
If you can measure the ratio of 60% distilled water and 40% unmixed coolant,this will be better for your engine as anti-freeze is not very good at moving heat away from hot spots in the engine.

That and a 50/50 mix is good for countries that have a climate that might go down to -30c - which is not very likely in the UK Rolling Eyes


The temperature may not get down to -30c, but windchill can easily get the rad temperature down near that before the thermostat opens and starts to fill it with warm/hot water.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get coolant the same colour as whatever is currently in there - it will be either blue, green or pink. 3 kinds of coolant, 3 colours. They don't all like to mix with each other.

As for discussions on ready mixed vs mixing your own - it doesn't make a difference. If you change the coolant on schedule, it will do the job of cooling the engine, not freezing, and preventing corrosion. There may be some minor differences in corrosion prevention, but they would take about 300 years to be apparent.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.challengers101.com/CoolantMix.html

I use a 70% distilled water,25% quality antifreeze and 5% Waterwetter in the KTM enduro and it works far better.

But on the Exup and R1 I use 65% distilled water,25% quality antifreeze and 10% Waterwetter

https://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=10

But this is my preferance.

For lesser machinery a 50/50 mix will be fine Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 22 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:


I use a 70% distilled water,25% quality antifreeze and 5% Waterwetter in the KTM enduro and it works far better.



Why would Tap water be no good ? I don't know BTW just curious..
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 22 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:

Why would Tap water be no good ? I don't know BTW just curious..


Because tap water is fully of impurities....

Depending on where you live you can have soft or hard water... Hard water area's tend to leave lots of firing up on elements. Due to the high levels of minerals....
Last thing you need is your waterways getting all fured up Sick

You can make you own distilled water. But the cost is going to be a lot higher than buying a couple of bottles...
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 22 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick google search found this

'Although tremendous progress has been made in improving the performance of modern day antifreeze/coolants there is still one factor that can reduce their effectiveness – the quality of the water used for dilution! High levels of calcium and magnesium in tap water, that cause furring of kettle heater elements, can also lead to deposits and scale build up in the engine cooling system. If you are in a hard water area it is advisable to use distilled or deionised water in the cooling system rather than tap water.'
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 22 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK makes sense - calcium rather than chlorine is the problem element then..

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PostPosted: 23:43 - 22 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ethylene Glycol is has properties similar to alcohol. It's also known ethan-1-2-diol.

It has lower conductivity, and lower specific heat capacity than water, making it a less efficient coolant than water, however, it can be used over a greater temperature range than water.
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PostPosted: 02:55 - 23 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
The temperature may not get down to -30c, but windchill can easily get the rad temperature down near that before the thermostat opens and starts to fill it with warm/hot water.


If a thermometer reads 5c without windchill, it'll will still read 5c with windchill.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 23 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
OK makes sense - calcium rather than chlorine is the problem element then..

Cheers


I can't see it actually causing problems because it's not like a kettle you keep refilling.
You only put in a few pints of water so you are only adding the one tiny amount of calcium.
If you don't have problems with local water doing that in kettles etc anyway, a complete non-issue.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 23 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if you use hard water, the anti-corrosion elements of the coolant will cancel it out. It just won't last quite as long.

This is why I tend to buy pre-mixed coolant. It ends up costing me an extra £2/year.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 23 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liam_ wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
The temperature may not get down to -30c, but windchill can easily get the rad temperature down near that before the thermostat opens and starts to fill it with warm/hot water.


If a thermometer reads 5c without windchill, it'll will still read 5c with windchill.


Beat me to it. Windchill is a perceived temperature (due to heat transfer rates through the skin), not a real one. Bike's don't feel the cold.
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