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dolly3900
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Speedy Reply with quote

Not exactly bike, but road and will have an impact on insurance for bike.

Our van got snapped doing 57 in a 50 back in August and as it is registered in the wife's name, she got the initial letter asking who was driving etc.

As I suspect it were me, I duly filled in the form on the back and sent it off awaiting for the ticket to come through.

So far, I have not received anything through and we are talking about 3 months now.

Is there a defined time after which they forget about it and leave you alone, or can I expect to find a letter for me in about 6 months demanding the bribe for having a heavy foot?

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PostPosted: 12:19 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not totally out of the woods until 6 months have expired.

I would have thought for a simple 57 in a 50, you'd have been offered a fixed penalty by now.

Which leaves us with four options.

1) They have lost the paperwork/dumped case. Result!

2) You did not receive the FPN offer for some reason. In which case you would most likely land up being summonsed.

3) They are shaping up to take you to court for the original offence or some other related offence (you were insured right?).

4) They didn't receive your reply in which case your wife might land up with a summons for failure to furnish. I believe an interpretation act defence would apply in this case.

In any case. Let sleeping dogs lie and keep your fingers crossed. Since you have not been officially notified about a pending prosecution, no need to mention it to the insurance at this point.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You're not totally out of the woods until 6 months have expired.

I would have thought for a simple 57 in a 50, you'd have been offered a fixed penalty by now.

Which leaves us with four options.

1) They have lost the paperwork/dumped case. Result!

2) You did not receive the FPN offer for some reason. In which case you would most likely land up being summonsed.

3) They are shaping up to take you to court for the original offence or some other related offence (you were insured right?).

4) They didn't receive your reply in which case your wife might land up with a summons for failure to furnish. I believe an interpretation act defence would apply in this case.

In any case. Let sleeping dogs lie and keep your fingers crossed. Since you have not been officially notified about a pending prosecution, no need to mention it to the insurance at this point.


Cheers, i was thinking along those lines myself, just wanted to see it i was in the right frame of mind.

I'd be inclined to think that it is more likely to be option 1) (or i am hoping so) and the insurance is not due on any of the vehicles for a few months yet.

Like you say, letting the puppies snooze Smile

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PostPosted: 12:49 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: Speedy Reply with quote

dolly3900 wrote:
Not exactly bike, but road and will have an impact on insurance for bike.

Our van got snapped doing 57 in a 50 back in August and as it is registered in the wife's name, she got the initial letter asking who was driving etc.

As I suspect it were me, I duly filled in the form on the back and sent it off awaiting for the ticket to come through.

So far, I have not received anything through and we are talking about 3 months now.




I suspect you will have a problem, the form should have been filled in by the registered keeper (your wife, but naming you as the driver), and sent back. Then you would have received another form to fill in naming yourself as the driver.
People have been convicted of failure to furnish details after making the same mistake.

I'd seriously think about getting in touch with them about it, the chances of them forgetting about it are non existent.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: Speedy Reply with quote

dodgydog wrote:
People have been convicted of failure to furnish details after making the same mistake.

If OP has made that mistake, 3 months have gone by, so the offence of failing to furnish has already been committed. I'm struggling with the idea of highlighting that fact to them and bringing attention to a case that has a chance of falling off the radar.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pepipoo.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: Speedy Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
dodgydog wrote:
People have been convicted of failure to furnish details after making the same mistake.

If OP has made that mistake, 3 months have gone by, so the offence of failing to furnish has already been committed. I'm struggling with the idea of highlighting that fact to them and bringing attention to a case that has a chance of falling off the radar.


I'd rather take that chance and try to rectify it now, than have a ftf conviction, that insurers will skin you alive for.

The chances of it dropping off the radar are vanishingly small.

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PostPosted: 13:06 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: Speedy Reply with quote

dodgydog wrote:
dolly3900 wrote:
Not exactly bike, but road and will have an impact on insurance for bike.

Our van got snapped doing 57 in a 50 back in August and as it is registered in the wife's name, she got the initial letter asking who was driving etc.

As I suspect it were me, I duly filled in the form on the back and sent it off awaiting for the ticket to come through.

So far, I have not received anything through and we are talking about 3 months now.




I suspect you will have a problem, the form should have been filled in by the registered keeper (your wife, but naming you as the driver), and sent back. Then you would have received another form to fill in naming yourself as the driver.
People have been convicted of failure to furnish details after making the same mistake.

I'd seriously think about getting in touch with them about it, the chances of them forgetting about it are non existent.


Edit....
The form was filled in correctly and signed by my wife, naming me as the driver and subsequently returned....

So far I have heard nothing back from anyone
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: Speedy Reply with quote

dolly3900 wrote:
I duly filled in the form on the back and sent it off

Recorded delivery? Proof of postage?

Ultimately, either of those is probably more important than the contents of the envelope.


dolly3900 wrote:
Our van got snapped doing 57 in a 50

Transit sized? Just so we're crystal clear, that's a light goods vehicle and the limit on any NSL single carriageway is 50.

I mention this because I recently noticed several white van men sticking religiously[*] to an indicated 60 on the average speed camera A9, and expect they'll soon be ejaculating "Whit's this speeding pish? I wis only daein' 60!"

[*] It's an unshakeable tenet of faith that hanging off my rear bumper at 60 shortens the journey time.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: Speedy Reply with quote

dodgydog wrote:
I suspect you will have a problem, the form should have been filled in by the registered keeper...
People have been convicted of failure to furnish details after making the same mistake...

Who are these people? Do you have names, links, proof*?
Or are you just scare-mongering?

Just asking to clarify Thumbs Up



* sorry but "I heard it down the pub, true story bro" doesn't count.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: Speedy Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
dolly3900 wrote:
I duly filled in the form on the back and sent it off

Recorded delivery? Proof of postage?

Ultimately, either of those is probably more important than the contents of the envelope.


dolly3900 wrote:
Our van got snapped doing 57 in a 50

Transit sized? Just so we're crystal clear, that's a light goods vehicle and the limit on any NSL single carriageway is 50.

I mention this because I recently noticed several white van men sticking religiously[*] to an indicated 60 on the average speed camera A9, and expect they'll soon be ejaculating "Whit's this speeding pish? I wis only daein' 60!"

[*] It's an unshakeable tenet of faith that hanging off my rear bumper at 60 shortens the journey time.


Vauxhall Vivaro van.
Don't wish to dispute the info, but i always thought it came under the same rules as cars up to 3.5 tonnes?
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

The Man wrote:
Vans and ‘car-derived’ vans

Most vans are under 7.5 tonnes laden (loaded) weight and must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight. This includes Ford Transit vans.

‘Car-derived’ vans weigh no more than 2 tonnes when loaded and are goods vehicles based on car designs, such as a Ford Fiesta van or Vauxhall Astra van. Check your log book under ‘body type’ if you’re not sure.

[non 'car derived'] Goods vehicles (not more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight)

Built-up areas mph 30
Single carriageways mph 50
Dual carriageways mph 60
Motorways mph 70


FYI. I imagine that as we get more ANPR cameras in place - which can easily determine vehicle type and thus legal speed from the reg - this is going to catch out a lot of white van men.

As long as they're mostly forward-facing though... Wink
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's been a few agency drivers at work caught out with this. ANPR are the issue. The regular Gatso or Red Speed type digi cameras are less of an issue as they are set to the tolerance of the road - plus/minus what ever the enforcement agency decides.
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 05 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my work too, some drivers think our 3.5T Iveco's can go 60 on a NSL Single Carriageway. The limit's 50. Our vans are limited to between 54mph and 56mph real-speed though, so I bet that's saved a few people getting points. You could drive flat out in a 50 and get away with it, just.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 06 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:


Well you live and learn.

I did not realise that I have been speedy for so long.

Wonder if the Popo know this, as been pootling along at a steady 70 on the motorway and Dual Cabbage ways alike and never been pulled by nice man in uniform or snapped for it.

Will have to let the wifey know too as she drives it more than I

Cheers guys, education and entertainment in one forum Edutainment Smile
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 06 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure that they know but don't really care that much. It's a very broad brush from a Transit Connect up to a 7.5 tonne Luton.

I remarked on the A9 because the HGV limit in NSL is just 40 and despite the proliferation of police cars there they never stuck to it and would have caused (even more) chaos if they had.

With the average speed cameras going in now, they've also put a trial limit of 50 for HGVs, which is essentially an admission that the national limit is unrealistically low and out of date. I wouldn't be astonished to find that there's an unpublicised higher threshold for LGVs as well. But technically, you can be done for 51mph in a van.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 09 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me and my big bloody mouth.

Got home yesterday to a nice letter from Dyfed Powys Police saying that they have received my admission of guilt Sad

On the plus side, I have been offered a speed awareness course, so no point to worry about and the £85 for the course is less than the £100 fine that would have gone with the points.

Anyone else doing the course in Cardigan on the 17th Feb? only a half day, so a ride out afterwards? Smile

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PostPosted: 12:11 - 09 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aw well, probably the best result.

Presumably the speed awareness course will cover vehicle speeds? Wink
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 12 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolly3900 wrote:
Me and my big bloody mouth.

Got home yesterday to a nice letter from Dyfed Powys Police saying that they have received my admission of guilt Sad

On the plus side, I have been offered a speed awareness course, so no point to worry about and the £85 for the course is less than the £100 fine that would have gone with the points.

Anyone else doing the course in Cardigan on the 17th Feb? only a half day, so a ride out afterwards? Smile

Mike


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PostPosted: 20:10 - 12 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Aw well, probably the best result.

Presumably the speed awareness course will cover vehicle speeds? Wink


Hilariously at mine they opened the seminar with...

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Well thank you all for coming ( Rolling Eyes ), now in the past there has been a lot of discussion on Speed limits and speeding, but we simply don't have the time this afternoon, so we are going to try and avoid those topics today


Thankfully they also said that we "don't have to agree at the end of this, simply that you take part"

I treated the whole thing as it should be, a wasted afternoon spent with Ignorant Sheeple.

Yes BTW, I was there because of poor Observation. Very Happy
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