cornering in rain

[stranger12]

ever since I dropped my bike because of rain and mainly mud on the round about , half of me doesn't allow me to lean as much in rain and ride around like someone whom started to ride yesterday .


considering I am no pro but used to almost get my knee down in dry and in wet , I was a bit crazy by almost trying to much my lean angle as dry , I am now very dis appointed .

It is not that I am afraid , hell no but rather that moment when it slipped from under me and it was all happening in split of seconds and I couldn't control it stops me from leaning .

it is more been wise than scared.

what would you do ?

like today someone chasing me and got me really annoyed , I still couldn't push the bike round corners.

what do you consider a safe lean angle in rain ?

the faster you go, do you have more grip ? is there a chance of bike sliding under you on high speed corner or anything above 40-50mph?

I think when I dropped mine , it was mainly due to mud which even if you walked on it you would have slipped and secondly due to the fact I did not carry any speed (around 20-25mph ).

so I am thinking the faster you go the more grip you have and the more lean angle you can have

also I should say , I am very considerate of the icy conditions of the road due to the cold weather so it is not only the rain
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[stranger12]

Don't agree re riding outside my ability. How i phrase it is , i push myself to become better and never feel over confident.

In rain part of me says f**k it and nail it and the other part says be wise. I will lean as much as i feel comfortable but at the moment i am not even doing that and do a very basic ride after the stupid crash
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[edit] What arry said

1st off don't get chased. You're making hard work for yourself if you're feeling vulnerable after a spill.

Grip is like the wind. It's rarely constant and like the wind it can seem to be worse in some areas.

Yes, going faster will increase available grip in certain situations.
Yes, going faster will decrease grip in certain situations.
Same goes for lean angle as most tyre profiles offer a bigger contact patch as the angle increases, but as you increase lean angle you reduce the effectiveness of your suspension, thus the tyre won't follow the imperfections in the road surface as well.

Tell you what to do.
Ride to the conditions i.e It's winter so generally ride a bit slower and always position yourself in the safest place with the best view. Corners, junctions..Move your head to help you steer correctly. Keep smooth on the controls. Greasy roundabouts and the like, that's where I'll keep the bike more upright by shifting my bum an inch or so (towards the inside of the corner) before I get to the skidpan.
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[Albigularis]

I'd like to know what to do in wet corners in terms of keeping in the safe zone, as I've tried both of these methods and haven't had any slides related to cornering speed yet, so haven't had a chance to means test them.

Corner whilst leaning upper body as normal or more to stop the bike having to lean as far, thus being less likely to slide?

Or

Corner whilst counter leaning to keep the bike stable in the event that it does slide, even though this will incur a higher lean angle and (theoretically) have the bike more likely to slip?
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[robertw95]

Winter times not the time to try and get knee down like you can in summer, when was the last time you checked tyre pressures? Probably a mental thing after your off happens to us all but i'd give the pressures a check for piece of mind
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[Wull]

Its not all about lean angle,what you want to do is reduce the centre of gravity by shifting your body weight to the inside of the corner,this method works perfect in the wet conditions as it allows you to corner at the same speed but with less lean angle,keeping the bike on the fatter part of the tyre reducing the chances of wiping out.

One of the best racers to watch utilising this method is pedrosa,as he powers out of the corner he stands the bike up whilst still hanging off.

I love wet weather riding as its all it ever does up this way,and I like to push hard and this works wonders.
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[barrkel]

Someone chasing you probably just wants to go faster than you; or they think you're racing them. But more likely the former.

I now lean a lot less in the wet than the dry. I've had a number of wheel slips in the wet, and most of my non-collision accidents have been in the wet. There's more variance in wet grip and for any given route, the minimum grip on a wet road will be lower than dry. Pushing it on roads with uncertain amounts of oil, diesel, mud etc. isn't worth it.

Keeping the bike upright in the wet, for me, has been more about giving the bike more space to regain grip before hard parts lever the tyres off the ground. Makes it a bit more likely to highside though.

On a wet road, I try to take more pleasure in making good progress smoothly and with less risk, whereas dry will bring out more of my flicking tendencies. But the wet skills are actually good in the dry too, not quite as much fun, but they are the skills needed when riding faster.
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[stranger12]

[Dave70]

Take note of the advice already given above, as it's pretty much spot on. This is not the time of year to be trying to push you or your bikes limits, especially around corners.

Wait until the summer arrives, when the roads are a lot more dry and sticky, then lean your bike as much as you dare. You'll soon find the limit.
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[stranger12]

agree and thanks for great info

I have just been a kid and a bit silly
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[DrDonnyBrago]

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[andyscooter]

was on a ride course two days ago

was told over 60% of bike crashes only involved one vehicle


with people like this about i can now sort of see their point

its raining you have a 50p size patch of tyre in contact with the road

slow down

dont try and lean as much

who cares if someone else is faster are you riding for them or you
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[kramdra]

My commute has some scary sections with lose dirt and mud all over the road. The road is narrow with mud banks which cars like to hit, dragging it into the centre. On Thursday, 3 blind bends were fully flooded (oncoming cars are fun), and at <20mph riding on the dirt river both wheels were sliding

So its the dirt and gravel Im worried about, rather than rain.


Id like to see you getting knee down there. (Ashurst to Steyning). Its quite nice in the summer though.


Dual carriageway can be ridden similarly to dry weather, just being far more cautious of car drivers.

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