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iginge
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: 1st Chain Clean + Lube (Look Ok)? Reply with quote

Hi all,

I'll cut straight to the chase.. after a service yesterday I looked at my chain and couldn't see any difference (didn't look like it had been cleaned and lubed), could of been because the roads where in such poor condition that between the long distance home it had basically picked up muck again.

Decided to use chain cleaner and lube that I purchased a little while ago for the first time (usually leave it to the garage or a service).. simple job, there are spots of rust I appreciate just because it was neglected for a short while.

Just wondered if it looked ok to anyone and everyone?

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PostPosted: 15:15 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to see what is or isn't covered, but you want the sideplates coated so far as possible.
I often treat it like two separate chains and squirt onto each side.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
It's hard to see what is or isn't covered,


I've only sprayed lube into the middle of the chain, the sides need doing as well?
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

More so than the middle really.
You are putting a protective layer on to stop corrosion as much as actually lubricating moving parts because the rollers have grease inside already.
If you do both sides the middle will take care of itself.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks fine. Most of it will fling off anyway.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get ready for your jacket to get sprayed with the chain lube. This is not enduro nor motocross, you do not need so much lube on the chain. On dry road, it'll only bind dust and spray everything. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

After spraying lube on the side I spun the wheel a few times and noticed that there was lube on the inside of the tyre rim and on the left tyre wall, I've wiped it off as best as possible.. any major risk (even after being cleaned).

And I gave myself a scare, put the bike on the centre stand and put it in first gear.. let the back wheel spin and pressed the rear brake to make sure it worked as normal (after finding the goop on tyre), the rear brake squeeked (probably pressed to hard and to sudden) and the engine cut out.. I was like f*** s***.. basically was just because the clutch wasn't pulled in.. I must need more sleep.

Rear brake sounds a bit squeeky but was fine when gently applied gradually, with a bit of noise towards the end.

rhynocz wrote:
This is not enduro nor motocross, you do not need so much lube on the chain


Upon spinning the rear wheel after letting it sit for about half n hour or so it was a little sticky as in I could tell there was a bit to much, no resistance, spun easily.. lesson learnt for next time.

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PostPosted: 19:46 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

iginge wrote:
After spraying lube on the side I spun the wheel a few times and noticed that there was lube on the inside of the tyre rim and on the left tyre wall, I've wiped it off as best as possible.. any major risk (even after being cleaned).


Not if you cleaned it properly, I used to sponge it off the tyre with soapy water when I went overboard.
Nowadays I use a a piece of lino hung between the swing arm and tyres to catch the spray.

Quit worrying so much fella (from me that's a hell of a statement!)
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:

Not if you cleaned it properly, I used to sponge it off the tyre with soapy water when I went overboard.
Nowadays I use a a piece of lino hung between the swing arm and tyres to catch the spray.

Quit worrying so much fella (from me that's a hell of a statement!)


I think next time i'll use less lube and be more prepared, lesson learnt, and the towel wiped of the majority of the excess I'm sure riding it around will do the rest if any left.

and pesamsitic is my middle name Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

iginge wrote:
pesamsitic is my middle name Laughing


Quoted for lolz. Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you have any cereal boxes or newspaper in the recycling bin just slide it between the wheel and swing arm... protects the tyres and an easy clean up of chucking it in the bin.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you have any cereal boxes or newspaper in the recycling bin just slide it between the wheel and swing arm... protects the tyres and an easy clean up of chucking it in the bin.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: 1st Chain Clean + Lube (Look Ok)? Reply with quote

iginge wrote:


I personally don't like the look of that chain, in that it appears too worn. But it's impossible to know just by looking at it. To be certain would involve checking for tight spots, and feeling how well the links flex. I could well imagine, from the photos, there being numerous places along that chain where the rollers are ailing and the inner plates are grinding against outers because grit, crud and rust has built up too much. A decent service would've noticed that though, so eh. Who knows.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: 1st Chain Clean + Lube (Look Ok)? Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
A decent service would've noticed that though, so eh. Who knows.


I had it looked at and adjusted by the shop.. and then a service two days ago.. I'm confident in the shop that they wouldn't release the bike without mentioning it at the very least.

It is a chinese 125 so the chain quality overall in comparison to others may be lacking as a whole and therefore look insufficient.
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: 1st Chain Clean + Lube (Look Ok)? Reply with quote

iginge wrote:
I'm confident in the shop that they wouldn't release the bike without mentioning it at the very least.



Don't be so sure, I fixed a neighbours baotian that had been fully serviced at all intervals and it had a few drips of swarf filled original oil and an intermittently working cheapo Chinese sparkplug that would have been supplied with it years earlier.

Similar story a couple of weeks back on a vixen and that had a chain that looked like a ww1 battlefield relic.

Trust your own eyes.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: 1st Chain Clean + Lube (Look Ok)? Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
Trust your own eyes.


If I knew what I was looking at, from what I can tell I'm not the only newish rider that has lack of knowledge on chains.. hence why I seem to of put to much chain lube on.. lesson learnt of course.

And again with the whole trust thing, the reason I had to lube the chain was because after the surface it looked no different.. could of been nothing needed to be done.. but it made no sense so I attempted it anyway.

I only sprayed the chain with WD40 chain cleaner a couple of spins before this anyway and that got most of the black gunk of the side.. the rust I don't mind so much as long as I keep on top of it from know..

Doing a CBT might teach you to ride.. but it sure as hell doesn't prepare you to own your bike.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of talk about the lube, what about cleaning? It's not good enough just to chuck more lube on every week.

I give mine a good scrub down with a nylon brush and paraffin before re-lubing. Paraffin seems to do the job far better than any of the motorcycle chain cleaner sprays, and it's massively cheaper.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Lots of talk about the lube, what about cleaning? It's not good enough just to chuck more lube on every week.


I sprayed it with WD40 chain cleaner recommended by the shop and then used a toothbrush meanwhile spinning the chain around to remove the current muck.

I got that bit right at least?
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah well WD is okay, but paraffin or diesel is a bit better. Also, this is far more use than a toothbrush:

https://static.rapidonline.com/catalogueimages/Module/M306010P01WL.jpg

Fiver or less. Cleans two or three sides at once. Then grab the chain w/ some kitchen roll and turn the wheel so that the chain passes through. Repeat until only a small amount of black is showing on the kitchen roll. Then lubricate w/ e.g. EP90 (thick gear oil). If you're afraid of fling, wipe chain w/ clean rag. Ideally, you should do this after every ride, but failing that - and assuming 10-15 miles a day on dry roads - once or twice a week. But chains can suffer quickly from the shite accumulated from wet winter roads. And bear in mind too, if you think the regimen I mention is too strict, a well-maintained chain will make for *much* smoother gear changes, will last A LOT longer than a poorly cared for one, and - in some cases - could be worth as much as a couple of extra bhp (probably not on a 4t 125, mind you - but still, extra friction caused by a shitty chain will definitely have a detrimental effect on power output).

One last thing - ideally the CBT should cover basic maintenance beyond POWDER checks (although of course that's where "D" comes in - the idea is that you go home and e.g. search youtube for motorbike chain maintenance), but this would just mean bombarding the n00b with YET MORE info. The list of stuff you have to absorb in minutes on the cbt is already fairly colossal.
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PostPosted: 02:13 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
The list of stuff you have to absorb in minutes on the cbt is already fairly colossal.


Fellow friends at work didn't understand how in one day I could go form never touching a motorbike to being able to buy one and go on out alone on the roads, if there's one thing I'd say to a newbie form my experience is that be prepared to throw yourself in the deep end in every way imaginable.

As for maintenance if all I could ever be taught was from a CBT then I'd only ever do the following *press indicator signal.. does it light up yes.. oh erm I think it's working*.. bike forums and the want to research into what needs doing over time has taught me all I know.

And the brush I've a look at prior however never invested in one based on the fact that I was confident (newbies Rolling Eyes ) that letting the garage do it each time I visited or on a service would be sufficient, after seeing the glimmer of silver after letting it sit lubed all night I think I'll be attempting it more.

I've had problems with gear shifting on my 125 for a while between 1st and 2nd sometimes the shifter becomes stuck and wont go up, so down-shift and try again.. can be annoying and rev high.. mainly just keeping the throttle open in panic.. I did have once patch of riding where it kept happening.. see if it does the same next time I go out.

Chinese bikes aren't known for their smoothness Laughing
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PostPosted: 06:41 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Sinnis YBR copy that I rode was considerably smoother than my Japanese built suzuki 125. So they're getting there.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you got a manual for the bike or at least a book of some sort with regards to maintenance?

There will be a specification for the distance between x amount of links? This is one way of measuring if the chain is worn too much.

Another way is to check each roller/side plate individually to see if they are seized,usually you'll get a knocking/clunking noise from the rear as it passes the sprocket if that's the case.

In the future clean every so often and lube it properly and you'll be sorted.
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
A Sinnis YBR copy that I rode was considerably smoother than my Japanese built suzuki 125. So they're getting there.


Until you apply the brakes or go above 50..


Chain cleaning - bottle of paraffin, £6 quid from b&q, will last forever. Brushes will ruin o-rings, use quarter of a car sponge instead. Lube, used (or fresh) engine oil is perfect, apply some each day or 50-100miles. An oil can is much less messy than a spray can Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clean with parrafin then brush on 80/90 gear oil, work well in then wipe of excess. Never had to clean my chain since using gear oil and your front sprocket housing won't get full of grinding paste crap. Takes ten minutes tops.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 04 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wheres the after pics ?
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