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iginge
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Service booklet potate'd Reply with quote

Straight to the chase, service booklet left on kitchen side last friday and I've just picked it up to move it and it was soaking wet, pressed the front against the radiator and it just fell off, most of the pages of the booklet are crinkled and wet.. although the two services recorded are readable..

Is the service book something that a dealership can replace?
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, they have a part number like any other part, get the parts guy to look it up on the part file and price one up
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers, i'll be sure to ring them tomorrow and ask them about a replacement.

Just a quick one as well as I'm a newer rider.. do you have to carry your license, pass certificate etc around with you all the time.. they've been in my bad for a short while and are a little crinkled, I'd rather keep them at home.

I have a provisional with a CBT (if that changes anything).
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

iginge wrote:
Just a quick one as well as I'm a newer rider.. do you have to carry your license, pass certificate etc around with you all the time.. they've been in my bad for a short while and are a little crinkled, I'd rather keep them at home.
You don't have to carry either - if you don't have your license you might get a producer to show it at your local station within x-days. Easiest thing is to just carry your photocard with you as its waterproof anyway, would never bother carrying the paper-license or pass certificate Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Easiest thing is to just carry your photocard with you as its waterproof anyway, would never bother carrying the paper-license or pass certificate Thumbs Up


I think it's 7 days after the issue of notice at a police station of the persons choice.

I'd keep my provisional with me at all times for ID if not anything else, but would a copper let me ride away.. are they able to determine if I actually have a CBT?
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

After one of my crashes, I went to hand my licence and certs to the copper that arrived on the scene. He made it clear that he didn't want to see them and told me to produce them within seven days at the local station.

I now don't bother carrying them with me.
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

iginge wrote:
I'd keep my provisional with me at all times for ID if not anything else, but would a copper let me ride away.. are they able to determine if I actually have a CBT?
On what grounds would they not let you ride away Razz? Assuming you're insured/taxed/MOT'd and the bikes ''roadworthy'' Whistle with a provisional license in hand (or not), unless you were riding ''omgz dangerouz'' what are they realistically going to stop you riding away for?

Producer for license/cbt is a possibility; otherwise I wouldn't worry at all personally.
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I carry colour photocopies (done with multifunction printer thing) clearly marked as a copy in case someone got super pedantic about forgery. I have a taped up plastic wallet that lives in each jacket with everything I should show if stopped/crashed. Been riding 3.5 years, used it maybe 6 times, 2 collisions and some minor plod botherance. It works well for passing the attitude test, particularly when stopped by a non-traffic copper trying to verify everything because you managed to lose the numberplate. Embarassed

Insurance cert, CBT as required, mod 2 pass certificate whilst waiting for licence update, restriction certificate as required, counterpart, list of numbers to phone (RAC, insurance, she who will kick my ass if I do something stupid, friend with van/trailer/some kind of intimidating posse)

I could and do keep all of these in my phone. I smashed my phone in the first of those crashes, so paper backup always handy.
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Producer for license/cbt is a possibility; otherwise I wouldn't worry at all personally.


With all the prior mentioned checks being able to be done on a computer I'd expect a producer for the pass certificate at the very least.

I guess once that's issued it's a ticket to drive away, only if they summoned some invalid excuse would I not be able to.

Although I'm just thinking in the event that I was pulled over, of which I cannot think of a reason why I would be.. apart from my rear "L" plate of which is displayed (tapped to license plate) but is hanging of a little, I've had police behind me and just drove past when they had the chance..

As it's not against the law to carry your even your license I may be over-thinking a little in regards to certificates..

Might as well just leave the certificates at home to gather dust and remain in as un-crinkled state as possible.

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PostPosted: 01:38 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

iginge wrote:
apart from my rear "L" plate of which is displayed (tapped to license plate) but is hanging of a little, I've had police behind me and just drove past when they had the chance..
If you're concerned about police hassle; don't give them the chance to give you hassle Razz I was stopped a few times years ago for L-plate grievances - got some producers and nothing ever came of any of it (having turned up and shown relevant documents/been riding 'legally' at the time). Could of avoided it though.

Carrying documents or not won't save you from potentially ''driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence'' if they feel like giving your grief about a really dodgy/missing L-plate for example. Unlikely to be a problem either way, but if you are concerned, fix the things which give them an easy excuse to pull you, then you shouldn't need to produce papers at all Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 02:02 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just using the "L" plate as the only example I could think of in which my documents would need to be produced, and in honesty I always carry spares with me in the event the rear falls off so isn't an issue (fixed roadside).. more the tape that holds it on has come loose a little, it's clearly displayed so technically isn't illegal..

As mentioned above with the "crash scenario" a producer was issued then.. so really based on that case it's not worth leaving papers to get crunched up and in a bad shape for something (cops pulling you over) that either might never happen or will only happen (hopefully) once in a blue moon.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never carry mine, after one pig took it off me to send in for endorsing, he gave me some print out to cover me in the mean time, I didn't like this so I'm not carrying mine any more, or handing it over at the roadside.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should point out a techincality because some things are being stated as fact in this thread that are not accurate.

It is a criminal offence under the Road Traffic Act 1988 to fail to produce your driving licence or certificate of motor insurance when requested to do so by a police officer in uniform.

Just so as you know.

There is a statuatory defence to this offence of producing it within 7 days or as soon as was reasonably practicable.

Naturally, if you have produced it later in such a fashion, the police are unlikely to prosecute you for said offence (knowing you have a defence) but you still broke thew law by failing to produce.

Your provisional motorcycle licence is invalid unless accompanied by a CBT certificate.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cynic in me says that police patrols have targets for the amount of 'paperworks' issued per shift.

A 'producer' is 1 paperwork, but checking your documents at the side of the road isn't...

From experience, if you hand over all your documents when stopped, it's likely that there will be a 'look over' happening so that the '1 paperwork' can be issued for something else instead. After all, they've already stopped you.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdg wrote:
The cynic in me says that police patrols have targets for the amount of 'paperworks' issued per shift.

A 'producer' is 1 paperwork, but checking your documents at the side of the road isn't...

From experience, if you hand over all your documents when stopped, it's likely that there will be a 'look over' happening so that the '1 paperwork' can be issued for something else instead. After all, they've already stopped you.


Now that IS cynical!
Curious if any police on here will be along to confirm / deny...
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdg wrote:
The cynic in me says that police patrols have targets for the amount of 'paperworks' issued per shift.

A 'producer' is 1 paperwork, but checking your documents at the side of the road isn't...

From experience, if you hand over all your documents when stopped, it's likely that there will be a 'look over' happening so that the '1 paperwork' can be issued for something else instead. After all, they've already stopped you.


Nah. They use it as a tool purely to cause you incovenience.

In the vast majority of stops, they will have done a PNC check before they even stopped you so they already KNOW who you are, what sort of licence you have and if you're insured. If they thought you had no licence or insurance, they would confiscate your bike on the spot and let you go no further.

A "producer" is merely a tool to punish you* for being in posession of a face they don't like the look of when they can't find something to actually do you for.

There has been no actual need for a copper to see your licence and insurance documents for a very long time now. The only time you should really need to be able to produce them is if the PNC or insurance database is in error and says you don't have them. In which case, you'd better have them on you because then it's seized vehicle time.

*By making you go to a police station to produce them then deliberately keeing you waiting.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 03 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdg wrote:
The cynic in me says that police patrols have targets for the amount of 'paperworks' issued per shift.

A 'producer' is 1 paperwork, but checking your documents at the side of the road isn't...

From experience, if you hand over all your documents when stopped, it's likely that there will be a 'look over' happening so that the '1 paperwork' can be issued for something else instead. After all, they've already stopped you.


Yep. I was a Police Officer for nine years and they did have individual and shift targets for process (i.e producers HO/RT1, FPN, EFPN).

I used to just tell my Sergeant to jog on. If the offence was serious enough i would be taking the car off them i.e. no licence or insurance. Everything else was a discretionary bollocking as i had better things to do.

Although i left in 2012 you would have thought all of it was already on PNC these days. Unfortunately a lot of insurance companies are shite (trying to make a claim proves this) a lot of shitty brokers don't update the MID who in turn updates to the PNC. It should be on there by midnight of the commencement date but many do not show up for weeks if at all. So there is sometimes a producer HO/RT1 given for insurance companies/brokers being crap.

I must admit some Officers i worked with gave them out because the motorist was behaving like a two year old or playing up in front of their mates. In these cases though the Officer was being just as ignorant and childish and was really quite sad.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 05 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't say I've done double blind testing, but I'm convinced having your paperwork or a photocopy of such goes a long way to convince the officer that stopped you that you are probably not up to something mischievous.

When I was stopped with no number plate, it could have turned into all kinds of hell rather than being told to turn around and find it and being offered zip ties.

When I was stopped by an asshole in an unmarked car for avoiding a diesel spill he hadn't seen, he went through my paperwork and checked the bike looking for something to do me for. that ended in his colleague telling him he was going a bit far

When I got rear ended, having my documents together and being calm and polite worked out well for me. Particularly as I called the police becasue the other driver was refusing to confirm his identity or insurance details and was the model of not calm.

I'm not saying having your papers will let you get away with murder, but it is occaisonally helpful.
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