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 b422063 Crazy Courier

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 Posted: 10:43 - 01 Feb 2015 Post subject: Uptimes |
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What length of uptimes do your permanently on home computers achieve. My pi backup computer has an uptime of 50 days at the moment.
I know amongst our many geeks here that'll get trashed.  |
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My ssh/squid proxy pi =
10:59:13 up 218 days, 22:44, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.05
Power failure took it down.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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NobCat has an avg of 5 weeks, windows updates innit :/
NobKitten is somewhere in the region of 3 months, Debian innit
NobTop had a record of 6 weeks, Windows innit :/
NobPi get rebooted weekly for kodi updates n shizzle. |
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My old Nexenta NAS hit north of 500 days, that was running a Solaris kernel. I rebooted it to replace a failed drive - the chassis didn't support hotplug drives. The lack of reboots was probably more down to the lack of kernel updates more than anything.
I've migrated my NAS to Ubuntu now - if you want to keep current with Linux kernel versions, you have to reboot every couple of months or so. I don't bother rebooting that often though. The machine doesn't see a lot of the outside world, the security risks aren't enormous. I don't run apt-get update & upgrade on it very often, as there's a certain amount of fragility around ZFS on Linux and the DKMS infrastructure - it tries to dynamically recompile kernel modules, and if everything isn't just right, there'll be a compilation failure and I'll lose access to ZFS volumes post-reboot until I fix it.
| Code: | [mars] $ uptime
17:18:30 up 90 days, 22:52, 14 users, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.05
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Windows typically gets up to about 50 days, until the update / reboot nagging gets to me. I'm more concerned about keeping browser and flash plugin up to date, and disabling all other plugins, than I am with keeping super current on the latest fixes. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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| ScaredyCat wrote: | let's just stop this right now. If you're not restarting your linux box you're not applying updates properly and you're more than likely still affected by the ghost vuln. |
I'll worry about ghost when my machine has reason to do DNS lookups for domains controlled by untrusted parties. This is a headless machine without a graphics card, never mind a windowing system, web browser, or any other typical reason to contact the outside world.
| Quote: | Uptime is inversely proportional to your ability to patch your linux machine properly. |
In principle, I agree. And professionally, I don't think the game of uptime as measured by the kernel is worth anything; it's down to SLA. Uptime means being online when required.
But for a home network, for machines that are not connected over the net, and that don't reach out across the net, and are not part of a broad rollout (e.g. an insecure network printer), I simply don't think the risks are very high. The target isn't worth much, a targeted attack isn't likely, and a generic attack is even less likely. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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| barrkel wrote: | | ScaredyCat wrote: | let's just stop this right now. If you're not restarting your linux box you're not applying updates properly and you're more than likely still affected by the ghost vuln. |
I'll worry about ghost when my machine has reason to do DNS lookups for domains controlled by untrusted parties. This is a headless machine without a graphics card, never mind a windowing system, web browser, or any other typical reason to contact the outside world.
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Like serving mail or web pages or files. Lots of people use services like this at home on devices like Raspberry Pis . The GHOST flaw is in gethostbyname and certainly, in the case of a mail server, it is going to do host lookups. A flaw that simply requires me to send a specially crafted email to your server to get it to execute code is not good. Add to that the likelyhood of "n00bs with pis" running servers under root and you've got the makings of a nice little botnet.
| Quote: | But for a home network, for machines that are not connected over the net, and that don't reach out across the net, and are not part of a broad rollout (e.g. an insecure network printer), I simply don't think the risks are very high. The target isn't worth much, a targeted attack isn't likely, and a generic attack is even less likely. |
That's what Windows users all thought... A home network is likely to be more lax when it comes to security because "I just want it to work and turning off my firewall or opening all these ports or turning on upnp makes it work" ... ____________________ Honda CBF125 ➝ NC700X
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I will also have to assume that with a name like Rogerborg and an uptime like that you are already part of the botnet collective... ____________________ Honda CBF125 ➝ NC700X
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| ScaredyCat wrote: | Like serving mail or web pages or files. Lots of people use services like this at home on devices like Raspberry Pis . The GHOST flaw is in gethostbyname and certainly, in the case of a mail server, it is going to do host lookups. |
Indeed; but I'm not running a mail server either. I don't run any internet facing services on it, nor anything that automatically reaches out either, not even as much as whoopsie.
| Quote: | That's what Windows users all thought... |
I stay a lot more up to date on Windows than I do on Linux, because it's the machine that sees the internet. But for a competent Windows user, security concerns too are overblown. I haven't had an infection of any kind since 1998, and 1995 before that, for a grand total of two. This machine goes through a network gateway where I can dump its network traffic, even if it had a rootkit I'd notice.
Windows security is more a problem for the people who will disable whatever protections necessary necessary to watch funny_kitten_video.avi.exe. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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Yes, but you're not the one we need to worry about, you seem to know what you're doing.. it's them others that are the problem.. ____________________ Honda CBF125 ➝ NC700X
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Still alive, brah. Still alive.
There's some Chinese bumbots hammering away at root at the moment, but I'm not seeing your m4d 5pl01tz. When I can't see you, are you at your most dangerous, like a ninja? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Don't do it, man. It's the waiting that's the worst, tailing that auth.log, knowing that when ScaredyCat does put his rootkit where his mouth is, I won't even know I'm dead until I hit the floor.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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