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Flatbadger
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 21 Feb 2015    Post subject: 2 Year Licence restriction lift = New Licence? Reply with quote

I didn't post about it last month but my 2-year restriction is up, and I half expected an updated licence to plop onto my doormat - all I've had in a brown envelope is the usual TV licence threat though. Smile

Checking the licence card I do have, it shows the '=<25KW' condition all the way up to 2043. I imagine there's a database which shows I'm unrestricted but I'd rather have this shown on my licence itself.

(Time passes while I dig out paper counterpart and check Gov's website)

Checking the direct.gov.uk site doesn't help much although it does confirm the lack of restriction now within category A. I remember seeing a thread with some info but it's lost in the mists of time now.

So.. (and TLDR) - 25KW restriction is up - do I pretend I lost my licence card to get an updated one? Shifty
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 21 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's reminding me of what I read in the thread of long ago - pretend you lost it so if the worst comes to the worst, you can 'find it' again..!
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 21 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't think it was needed to send it off for updating, the restriction merely expires but your licence is current.

your paper counterpart should show that the restriction expires and the date.

If you send it back for updating you'll get a licence from this year as your restricted period apparently doesn't count as full license to the DVLA
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 21 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, so perhaps a short while sitting in a cop car while Mr Plod checks his system vs. insurance problems with no claims and licence start date mismatch? Thinking

It might be nice to take the weight off for a few minutes Laughing

Hang on, my licence goes from when I passed mod 2, but my no claims goes from when I did my CBT and got a bike in the first place.

Maybe I can get an updated licence and then smash in to something - sorted! Wink
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 21 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

people have had insurance revoked for incorrect dates as some insurance companies see it as the date you did the test, others the date your restriction expired, the ombudsman agrees with the latter and the DVLA are not aware of a problem.


I have my test certificates in a safe place...
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 21 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
people have had insurance revoked for incorrect dates as some insurance companies see it as the date you did the test, others the date your restriction expired, the ombudsman agrees with the latter

In the case of eBike, who make a distinction between the various license classes.

Most insurers just ask us whether we have "provisional" or "full", because they are idiots. By that definition, A1, A<=25, A2 and A aren't provisional, so what are they?

Thing is, some of us are being graciously granted A from 2 years after we passed our tests, some are being gifted it from the test pass date. Go by what the gov.uk site says, no need to get another copy of your license.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 22 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
I have my test certificates in a safe place...


Me too, plus all the fail slips Laughing

Cheers Rog, exactly nothing is what I always prefer to do. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 22 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the same boat flatbadger. Like hell am I doing anything about it.

I've done my time at 33bhp, I have my pass certificates.. I haz full licence as far as I'm concerned. Thumbs Up

If the time comes and I'm pulled, they can work it out for themselves. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 22 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it came time for me to update my licence categories after the 2 year period, I couldn't find my photocard or couterpart anywhere so I sent off the form stating they'd gone missing.

After I got my new licence card from the DVLA and checked everything on it was correct I manged to find the originals again though, they were in my vehicle documents folder all along...

Can't think how I managed to miss them in there but oh well. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 22 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be warned...

If you send yours in to be updated... It will come back with a pass date 2 years after you actually passed your test Sad

Passed my A2 in 2010.. when i became unrestricted in 2012 and sent my card in for updating, the new card came back saying i'd only held a license since 2012 Sad

Still have my Pass certificate if anyone wants to argue it though Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 22 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
you send it back for updating you'll get a licence from this year as your restricted period apparently doesn't count as full license to the DVLA
'Replaced' mine recently - the original card/paper had the <25kw restriction and original pass date written on them. The new card has 'A' written on the back under the date the restriction ended 2 years later. So looking at just the card you wouldn't know i'd done the test 2 years before possibly. The new paper counterpart does still show the original pass date listed as A2 though.

That being said I never updated it for years after the restriction ended, never caused problems getting insurance or anything. Don't know if thats even of any use to anyone, but there you go.

Edit: Moo, is your paper counterpart the same or does it list the A2 still like the one I got, out of interest.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 22 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:
If you send yours in to be updated... It will come back with a pass date 2 years after you actually passed your test Sad

Maybe. Mine's like that, and I passed in 2010 as well.

However, a couple of folk have said that with more recent passes they're being gifted A from the pass date rather than 2 years afterwards.

Amusingly, this gives them longer entitlement duration even though they passed later. Well, it's probably amusing for them. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 22 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't send my license off to get an unrestricted one before I ditched my bike, so I had the <25kW on the back of my card. Of course then I had to explain the restriction laws to the traffic plod who appeared whilst I was waiting for the ambulance. Rolling Eyes

Got a producer, sent off all my "out of date" paperwork and got a letter back 4 weeks later saying no further action. I can only assume the two who appeared on site actually did some research or talked to someone higher up who actually knows what they're doing.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 22 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive been off my restriction for years now and never updated it.

I fear that I will lose all entitlement if I do send it away.

It has never caused a problem with stop checks.
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 23 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
It has never caused a problem with stop checks.

What's your sample size?
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 23 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ordered a replacement license and mine too came back with the pass date as showing 2 years after I'd actually passed my test.

I don't have a pass certificate either as I had to send it off as I had my car theory like 2 days after I passed my bike test.

Luckily after I ordered the new license I 'found' the old one so still have it showing my older pass date in case anyone ever asks.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 23 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
Luckily after I ordered the new license I 'found' the old one so still have it showing my older pass date in case anyone ever asks.

No, no, no, you're supposed to destroy the old copy when you 'find' it. Tut Tut
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