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EazyDuz
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Do you need to spend big money on a leather jacket? Reply with quote

I'm after something pretty plain, and came across this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorbike-Jacket-Leather-Motorcycle-sizes/dp/B0089QPQ3I

But at that price will it be as good as useful as a chocolate teapot in the event of an off?

This one is more expensive but would it be any better:

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/110001

My current one is a bit too big for me and never has been a great fit
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first one has an overlapping breast which will help keep the wind off. It's a good, cleasic bike jacket design.

I paid a similar amount for a similar style jacket about 10 years ago from a bike rally stall. Lining is starting to come apart now but otherwise it's been bang-on.

It's a copy of one of the old Bellstaff designs.

More recently I got a proper Bellstaff one for less than that second hand on ebay which appears to have never been worn.

If you're on a budget, this is a good option, there is loads of bike gear out there which has never been worn. Often top of the range kit bought by midlife crisis businessmen.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They both look nice, however the more expensive one comes with a back protector.

I'd check the amazon one for where the protection actually is, is it just c e approved shoulder/elbow armor.

I know when i got my jacket i opted for one with a decent back protector that was £50 more than others i was looking at.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would rather go have a look on ebay for a 2nd hand jacket from a trusted brand.

A higher quality one would last you longer as well so probably save you money in the long run.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My other 2 jackets have back protectors but im curious as to how much protection they would actually give in an off.
I do like the amazon one but ill have a troll around on ebay. As long as its double stitched it should be ok right?

Edit: Just had a look on another site, the Amazon one does indeed have a back protector
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've bought a few leather jackets including one thats made to measure, I've spent a fortune on them. The one I wear the most cost me £35 on ebay. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
My other 2 jackets have back protectors but im curious as to how much protection they would actually give in an off.


10 months after the event my still fucked spine would say the crappy foam pad things offer about as much protection as a (petrol soaked) newspaper in a firestorm.

My experience with a cheaper leather jacket (Australian bikers gear) is the leather and the stitching of it is fine, my wife's vastly more expensive jacket is really no better. However the internal bit of the pockets is made from what may as well be rizla, anything remotely heavy or pointy goes instantly through. Also after a few washes the thermal liner becomes not very thermal.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
EazyDuz wrote:
My other 2 jackets have back protectors but im curious as to how much protection they would actually give in an off.


10 months after the event my still fucked spine would say the crappy foam pad things offer about as much protection as a (petrol soaked) newspaper in a firestorm.

My experience with a cheaper leather jacket (Australian bikers gear) is the leather and the stitching of it is fine, my wife's vastly more expensive jacket is really no better. However the internal bit of the pockets is made from what may as well be rizla, anything remotely heavy or pointy goes instantly through. Also after a few washes the thermal liner becomes not very thermal.


I have a brando style jacket from ABG. Its just a bit too big now, must have lost weight. But i agree the leather itself seems thick and protective, but the armour not so great.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My leather cost me £35 from a car boot sale, my textile jacket was £15 from another. Both were pretty much unworn, so can't see me buying new for a while yet.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cant find the thread now but i remember hetzer buying a jacket from amazon that looked a lot like that one and he said it was garbage.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Won't buy anything new and cheap anymore. Have some fairly serious cartilige damage in my knees after some JF Pelle leathers blew apart at the seams. It's gonna hurt when I get old apparently.

Much rather buy a used premium branded jacket...picked up a Berik 2pc for £50 last time I dropped a load of weight Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:

10 months after the event my still fucked spine would say the crappy foam pad things offer about as much protection as a (petrol soaked) newspaper in a firestorm.


My Frank Thomas textiles has one of those foam back protectors too and I'd guess the it's probably about as much use as sticking a banana down your back.

And while I'm talking about Frank Thomas gear, the stitching has come away on my trousers too. Mad
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:

10 months after the event my still fucked spine would say the crappy foam pad things offer about as much protection as a (petrol soaked) newspaper in a firestorm.


My Frank Thomas textiles has one of those foam back protectors too and I'd guess the it's probably about as much use as sticking a banana down your back.

And while I'm talking about Frank Thomas gear, the stitching has come away on my trousers too. Mad
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: Do you need to spend big money on a leather jacket? Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
I'm after something pretty plain, and came across this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorbike-Jacket-Leather-Motorcycle-sizes/dp/B0089QPQ3I

But at that price will it be as good as useful as a chocolate teapot in the event of an off?

This one is more expensive but would it be any better:

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/110001

My current one is a bit too big for me and never has been a great fit


Go second hand for sure.

My alpinestars black 2 piece was £100 delivered from ebay.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought an Ixon titanium leather coz I was told that they are good. in 2006 I had a crash, big speeds, nasty crash, I slide on tar around 60 meters, and only thing what happen with jacket was a 7cm ish big hole where the shoulder guard is. Im so thankful to Ixon. That jacket save me. I still ware it !
and 2nd me trusted is ARMR KISO textile. very good and comfy !
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are some good brands of leathers then which would manufacture the design i'm after?
Popped into J&S yesterday and theres a lot of Frank Thomas gear which is close to what i want.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
What are some good brands of leathers then which would manufacture the design i'm after?
Popped into J&S yesterday and theres a lot of Frank Thomas gear which is close to what i want.


I bought a FT textile jacket and trousers a couple of years ago and wouldn't rate them tbh.

The jacket is slowly disintegrating and the stitching is coming undone on the trousers.

They'd probably be ok in a slow off but, wouldn't trust them to hold up in a decent slide down the road. Plus, through general wear and tear you'll probably be looking at replacing them in about 12 months time.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll second "Dave70's" comments in regards to the quality of "Frank Thomas" sold by J&S.

I did exactly the same thing, walked into J&S for my first set of gear prior to CBT and had no idea about anything, a kid in a candy store with a fair bit of money.. purchased a full set of frank thomas textiles, boots, gloves and helmet.

Jacket / Boots / Trousers (all £79 each, aprox).
Gloves (£20 aprox).
Helmet (£40 aprox).

Here's why they're poor.

- The zip on the trousers broke after three months, leaving the trouser no longer waterproof because it would leak through the now open hole (as well as people telling me i'm flying low).

- Armour in the jacket often comes out of places and is only held in a compartment by velcro (feels like I'd hold the jacket together in a crash rather than the other way around).

- Gloves are very thin and in the worst of winter often ended up shaking at red lights wondering how I was still managing to control the bike.

- Bolts on the boots go rusty quickly, generally starting to fall apart after about four months.

However .. all of the frank thomas gear I purchased did keep my dry in the worst of weathers (apart form broken zip).. I still use the jacket and boots four months latter only because I'm awaiting the funds to get some higher end gear, I'd say out of what I purchased the boots and jacket where the only ones worth there money.. if the jacket had more armour in then I'd say it ad be a steal.. however is made on a budget sadly.

I've changed my trousers and gloves to the "RST Blade" range, no regrets.. well worth spending the extra money, comes with a inner thermal thick layer as well, plenty of warmth and very dry.

All in all.. I'd recommended RST, if it's good enough for people to use on track-days it all more than suit my needs on my little 125 in the city.


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PostPosted: 11:43 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:
wr6133 wrote:

10 months after the event my still fucked spine would say the crappy foam pad things offer about as much protection as a (petrol soaked) newspaper in a firestorm.


My Frank Thomas textiles has one of those foam back protectors too and I'd guess the it's probably about as much use as sticking a banana down your back.

And while I'm talking about Frank Thomas gear, the stitching has come away on my trousers too. Mad


I replaced the soft usless foam in my A* textile jacket with a CE rated one. My totally uninformed opinion is that it seems to be significantly more protective than the original
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ixon seem to be a good cheaper brand, wife has a couple of their textile jackets that are good and I've got a huge winter thing they call "Tresorous" which is the warmest most waterproof thing I own. They seem to do a couple of leather jackets

https://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/ixon-copper-rock-leather-jacket/3347

https://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/ixon-opium-leather-jacket/3348

(there may be more I only looked on infinity)

Mega motorcycle store in Swindon normally has a huge birthday sale in early April so you may want to look there if you are nearby.
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
All in all.. I'd recommended RST, if it's good enough for people to use on track-days it all more than suit my needs on my little 125 in the city.

Indeed, they're a good compromise between stylish, affordable and track-worthy. A fair few road and superbike racers use RST, they wouldn't take the money if it was unsafe and naff crap. When (touch wood) I get a 600 I'll want to do trackdays and will probably buy an RST one-piece.

You do get what you pay for, mostly. For example Spada always seems cheap and load of people on here have moaned about them. Frank Thomas I wouldn't touch, nor J&S's own gear.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedPanda wrote:
NJD wrote:
All in all.. I'd recommended RST, if it's good enough for people to use on track-days it all more than suit my needs on my little 125 in the city.

Indeed, they're a good compromise between stylish, affordable and track-worthy. A fair few road and superbike racers use RST, they wouldn't take the money if it was unsafe and naff crap. When (touch wood) I get a 600 I'll want to do trackdays and will probably buy an RST one-piece.

You do get what you pay for, mostly. For example Spada always seems cheap and load of people on here have moaned about them. Frank Thomas I wouldn't touch, nor J&S's own gear.


Really?
This RST jacket is super cheap:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RST-Interstate-Leather-Classic-Motorbike-Mototcycle-Jacket-1141-Black-UK-40-NEW-/141602372957?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item20f828bd5d

Nice design too. You think that will be superior to FT or the Amazon one?
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