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PostPosted: 04:13 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: REAR Tyre on the FRONT? Reply with quote

Hi,
this may sound like a stupid question...but are tyres front/rear specific?
as in, i see a tyre advertised as a rear tyre, but the size just happens to be exactly the same sizes as a front tyre i need. 17 inch, same width/profile & speed rated to something silly like 150mph.

will i be thrown off & be killed instantly?

tyres are 1 thing i dont do myself (on road bikes), always seems to involve too much effort, unless you have a tyre changer machine thingy.

its a decent brand,& at a price i like, even considering paying someone to fit it.

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GAZ
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PostPosted: 06:44 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not ask the seller? It might be advertised as a rear just because rear tyres are replaced more regularly. They might also have the same tyre advertised as front elsewhere.

Just ask them I guess? If it's a reputable dealer they'll surely have some clue.
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some are. Problem is front tyres are usually "backwards" with their tread so it channels the water to or away from the rear wheel. Can't remember which, far too early.

Some people do it and just put them on backwards. MOT guy will likely spto a mile off Smile
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference is supposed to be with the direction of the forces through the tyre, with accelerating through the rear and braking through the front.

How much difference it makes in reality I have no idea.
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PostPosted: 07:31 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is state by the manufacture as a rear and you use it on the front

1 MOT fail
2 Get stopped it is same as a bald tyre 3 points £100
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
The difference is supposed to be with the direction of the forces through the tyre, with accelerating through the rear and braking through the front.

And the direction that the radial bands have been wrapped on to it.

Might be voodoo, might be gospel, might in practice depend entirely on the bike and the tyre.
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate has a custom v-max that has a rear on the front and has had no probs. Had one Mot garage refuse to put it through the test and another that was fine with 'lots of places don't know the rules properly'.
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not specifically mentioned in C&U

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/part/II/chapter/C/made

But I wouldn't fancy your chances arguing that it's "[suitable] having regard to the use to which the motor vehicle or trailer is being put"

The MOT manual, very curiously, requires a fail for "a tyre specifically designed for front wheel use fitted to the rear wheel;" but not t'other way around. I know which one I'd rather have fail.

It does insist on the direction arrow being correct though.

https://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m1s04000101.htm
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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will i be thrown off & be killed instantly?


Heres my boss on an FZ1000 Genisis in 1987 at Brands Hatch. The front tyre is a 130 (rear Michelin) - I think you'll be okay Laughing

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PostPosted: 11:43 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
thanks guys, you have given me a few things to think about Thinking
i'll need to find out if it is indeed marked anywhere as a rear & if said mark can "fall off"
i know its directional, so i'll get it put on with the arrow pointing "right" way.
its needed specifically to pass an mot. bike hasnt done much since last mot, but got advisory for front tyre being close to limit.
by my measurements, its now on the limit & the f*ckin anal mot tester round this way (the only one btw) wil take great delight in failing it. he seems to go over my bikes particularly more than most. i know he knows i do 99% of work myself & usually re-build my bikes from the ground up & he just doesnt like it.

bike probably wont be ridden in anger after mot, its just a wee 125 toy 2t & i really dont see the point in paying for premium rubber, until such times its actually gonna be ridden,

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PostPosted: 13:01 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
i know he knows i do 99% of work myself & usually re-build my bikes from the ground up & he just doesnt like it.

How would he like a VT17 appeal?

On the limit isn't under the limit. Might be fun just to shit him up. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
How would he like a VT17 appeal?

On the limit isn't under the limit. Might be fun just to shit him up. Wink


hi,
oh i've thought about it, a few times but now i just accept hes a c*nt & i sometimes actually enjoy the challenge. it keeps me on my toes.
but when i say the current tyre "is on the limit" i actually mean the tread is worn down so much, i wouldnt ride the bike unless it was a warm sunny,dry day & even then, only to the test centre.
so, tbf, it needs replaced, i just grudge paying someone 80-100 quid for a tyre (+fitting) that i wont get much use out of.
the joys of having bikes that i rarely ride.
so given the option of a cheap tyre, even used, i'd go for it, even though i'll get charged 25 quid to get it fitted. (& thats to a loose wheel)

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PostPosted: 16:31 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

as some have mentioned, i think the treads are directional.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

rubyhorse2 wrote:
as some have mentioned, i think the treads are directional.

Hi,
yes, but thats usually just an arrow. pointing in direction of travel.
im aware that fitting a rear specific tyre may f*ck up the way the treads supposed to work.
but as long as the arrow is pointing the correct way & theres no obvious evidence of "REAR TYRE ONLY" or something similar, surely it will pass the MOT, right? Thinking
thats my only aim, pass the MOT, & if/when time comes to ride the thing or sell it, then it will be getting the usual pirreli super corsa or similar.
we are talking about the difference of around 100 quid with some tyres.
i'd hate to give this c*nt , say, £120 for a tyre & pay the mot fee, & by the time i actually ride it in anger, the bloody things "gone off". had this happen with 1 of my other bikes.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

How safe the tyre is for this probably also depends on how close to its limits it is. Ie, a ZR rated tyres with a high load index being used occasionally at low speed on a light weight 125 is probably fine.

I would be desperately hoping the tyre is for front and rear fitment.

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:00 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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How safe the tyre is for this probably also depends on how close to its limits it is. Ie, a ZR rated tyres with a high load index being used occasionally at low speed on a light weight 125 is probably fine.

I would be desperately hoping the tyre is for front and rear fitment.

All the best

K

hi,
i've just been out & checked the tyre thats on it & it will definitely NOT pass an MOT. theres only about 1mm of tread left.
its only a wee front tyre for a very under-powered 125 that will be ridden 10miles for the MOT & put back in the garage until i get round to finishing it off.(restoration wise).
100/80-17 52T for those that know what this means.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

My guess is for an Aprilia AF1 Laughing .

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PostPosted: 19:02 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tread is designed to be direction in relation to maximum load, on the rear this is obviously in a forward direction under acceleration. the front wheel is not driven so there is no significant load under acceleration but as most braking is done on that wheel the loading is in the opposite (rear) direction to the front.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

See, my understanding is that the tread on a road tyre is only about stopping aquaplaning by squishing water into the grooves, and the actual tread pattern doesn't really mean much beyond 1980s TV adverts. The "maximum load" issue is about the construction of the tyre, and not unpeeling the radial ply.

Could very well be wrong though, this is just intardtubes wisdoms.

stirlinggaz wrote:
theres only about 1mm of tread left.

So, the limit for a motorcycle?

I get you though. Can you find a part-worn?
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:

its only a wee front tyre for a very under-powered 125 that will be ridden 10miles for the MOT & put back in the garage until i get round to finishing it off.(restoration wise).
100/80-17 52T for those that know what this means.
cheers,
GAZ


So why bother wasting money on the MOT then. If its only going to sit in the garage.
Get it finished. THEN MOT it Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 22:20 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
So why bother wasting money on the MOT then. If its only going to sit in the garage.
Get it finished. THEN MOT it Rolling Eyes

hi,
you misunderstand me, its "finished". its complete & pretty much original.
i just havnt decided wot im gonna do with it.. do one of my "rip it all apart & spend 2yrs restoring it" or keep as is?
also. a family friend wants to learn to ride so it might be a candidate for that, no point spending too much cash on it, seeing as hes a bit....clumsy.

i'd like it to have an mot, im ocd like that. i like them taxed, motd & insured. most of my bikes are Very Happy

actually, thinking out loud...if it wasnt mot'd but got stolen, would i get less money for it? most 125's sell for nearly double if they have a fresh mot.

i'd actually prefer the tyres to be a matching pair but thats not gonna happen this month.
i have been looking at part worns but i have never went this route before & did i mention its at least 25 quid to get a tyre fitted to a loose wheel?
also i didnt realise there were such cheap NEW tyres available. i've always got my tyres done at a garage & it looks like im paying through the nose for it, simply because im unable to diy it.
even factoring in the "fitting fee" it might be the best option, though i have been refused before.
yes, took a loose wheel, with a old tyre on it & had a new tyre (still with sticker on it) with me, to one of the local bike places (& there arnt many round here) & he refused. point blank.
pr*ck mumbled something about "safety","origin of tyre", then he was "too busy",

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PostPosted: 23:11 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you need to learn how to fit your own tyres, it's not exactly rocket surgery.
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

The MOT manual, very curiously, requires a fail for "a tyre specifically designed for front wheel use fitted to the rear wheel;" but not t'other way around. I know which one I'd rather have fail.

It does insist on the direction arrow being correct though.

https://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m1s04000101.htm


Even more curiously, it allows an exception for an extremely specific size of a Metzeler, fitted to the rear of a particular model of Aprilia, but only if fitted opposite to the manufacturer's recommended direction of travel.

It's almost worth buying the bike and the tyre, just to test the skill of any MOT chap(ess) you care to travel to Wink
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PostPosted: 01:31 - 21 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
Sounds like you need to learn how to fit your own tyres, it's not exactly rocket surgery.

hi,
you may well be right.
i used to do it on the off road bikes, but that was just like doing a bicycle, i have never tried on a tubeless 17 inch alloy, afraid i'll damage the rim getting the old tyre off & f*cked if i know how to get the new one "seated".
time to watch some youtube vids i think,
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 21 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
have never tried on a tubeless 17 inch alloy, afraid i'll damage the rim getting the old tyre off & f*cked if i know how to get the new one "seated".
time to watch some youtube vids i think,



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