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Snod Blatter
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 23 Mar 2015    Post subject: Tyre Changing Tools Reply with quote

I'm looking at quite a few bald tyres sat in the garage and don't fancy paying a guy £20 a time to fit me some new ones. I am wondering if anyone has experience with the proper tools/rigs that seem to exist for home use, the abba and Sealey products seem the most common yet they both look a bit wimpy and rubbish, as well as keeping the job of tyre changing difficult.

I am aware this has been asked before but only about the abba version as far as I can tell, and it was almost five years ago so people may be wiser or there could be new products out there I haven't seen yet. Oh and I don't have an air line and don't really want to go over £150 so it can't be too professional!
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 23 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A pair of decent quality tyre levers and some man-handling will see you through.
Can buy rim-protectors on ebay for next to nothing.

Failing that, find a cheaper tyre fitter. £20 a pop is pricey as fuck! If they were loose wheels, and simple change-overs without balancing, I'd expect to pay about a tenner for 2 wheels.


In fact, if you are anywhere near Rainham, Kent, come and see me.




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PostPosted: 01:10 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
£20 a pop is pricey as fuck! If they were loose wheels, and simple change-overs without balancing, I'd expect to pay about a tenner for 2 wheels.Ben


hi,
round my way, its £25 MINIMUM Shocked & thats walking in with a loose wheel! 40 quid if you ride in.
thats IF they will do it, cos you didnt buy the tyre from them (usually at twice on line price)

cheers.
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

round here the car shops refuse to do em and bike shops charge £15 per wheel loose and £30ish per wheel ride in
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look here

Like you I didn't have a local place that would stick them onto a loose wheel cheaply, the place I used to go to shut.

I got all the stuff I need from Gumtree for £55 which was quite lucky, including the Abba bead breaker which worked a treat. I already had a compressor but plenty of people seem to use a foot pump with success.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow... £10 a tyre at my local garage.

dont think i'd ever try and do the tyres myself.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use pieces of timber as a bead breaker. Just a lever and a short wedge placed against the bead, then something to lever it against.

Rim protectors are cheap, levers are cheap.

I made a balancer that bolts to axle stands for about £2 (angle iron and skateboard bearings), weights from eGay. Loads of people get away without balancing.


I previously wrote:
I use a length of 4x4 timber as a lever, a slice of 2x4 cut as a wedge as a bead breaker and a car sill as a weight to the end of the timber down whilst pressing on it. I used shampoo as lube, put a bit on before you break the bead and whilst levering on the new tyre. Also use a few bits of 2x4 made into a triangle to keep the wheel from touching the concrete.

Tyre levers, 3 cheap 12 inch silverline levers, cost about £1.50 each. Trick seems to be to lever on a few inches at a time, shouldn't need a lot of force. When fitting, the first bead will go on the wheel without levers and when removing, the first bead should come off the wheel without levers, just need to lube and lever the second bead in each instance.

Once the tyre is on, seating the bead is easy to do with a foot pump unless you are particularly unfit. Get the tyre most of the way on, bounce it a bit to make it set it's position correctly and get pumping, you only seem to lose the first few pumps of air, after that it seals itself and builds pressure. My beads then popped on at about 40psi.

I made my own wheel balancers out of axle stands, scrap bits of steel, small eBay bearings and some bolts. Basically make a bearing holder to bolt to the top of axle stands then use the bike axle as the balancer axle - a DIY version of static motorcycle wheel balancers you can find on gayBay. I was sceptical, but it worked really quite well.
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

see DIY Tubeless Tyre Changes a few posts below, read, read, and read again......


digest and have a go on a push bike wheel and tyre first.......

only spoons needed for then, you should be able to fit the tyre using only your thumbs ( porriage for brekky then ) ........no levers needed to refit.

when you can do them hassle free and not trapping the inner tube....progress to a motorcycle one........

since the tyre coming off is worn out??? use plenty of soap to aid removal......

only use sufficient ( just enough to lube both beads ) tyre soap for refitting....yes I know how much is just enough?? well that's down to experience.......and the only way yur gunna get that is to watch and old fart ( sorry dudes, old sweats and tyre fitters ) do it, or do it your self.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just add, get the equipment and go for it. I'd always assumed it was some sort of dark art as many people didn't seem to do their own but were happy to attempt all other kinds of motorbike servicing. Then I did a bit of reading and saw actually quite a few did and it turned out to be much easier than I had predicted.

I'm guessing a bit now but I think this type of lever might be the one to go for

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/images/library/product/huge/05/050914854.jpg

As the ones I used were a little bit thick but it's only a small hassle.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks very similar to one of my favourite bike tyre levers.......longer ( about twice as long by the looks ) and much more shinny............ :D

the secret really is lub for removal ( lots but not too much else everything gets really slippy ) and just enough lub for refitting.....and checking that you aiont pinched/trapped the tube, if fitted.

the thing that will make you scream ( apart from a finger stuck in the bead after inflation ) is to see the directional arrow backwards......and/or trapped innertube.

you know of the tyre balance marks?
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
Failing that, find a cheaper tyre fitter. £20 a pop is pricey as fuck! If they were loose wheels, and simple change-overs without balancing, I'd expect to pay about a tenner for 2 wheels.


The guy I use in Leicester is very good, his work is conscientious and he does everything up "just so" with perfect chain tension and wheel alignment, and doesn't destroy the brake pads forcing calipers back over discs and all that but he charges £13 to replace a tyre on a loose wheel (plus £2 to dispose of the old one, which I pay) and a slightly painful £33 per wheel for ride in/ride out service. If you buy the tyres from him ride in/out fitment is free but weirdly enough his prices are roughly online prices plus £33 per tyre.. Hmmmm Thinking I'm still traumatised by spending £240 on a pair of PR3s 2.5 years ago, oh lordy!

Reverend - Do you think the bead breaker was a good buy? Could you manage without it?

bikenut - By balance marks do you mean the red dot that goes on the opposite side of the wheel to the valve? It's the only one I know of.

Thank you everyone so far, I may need to arm myself with some levers and spinach..
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bead breaker worked flawlessly and was a good buy but then I paid £55 for the bead breaker, balancer, tyre irons and rim protectors. I've just had a quick look on the Abba site and it's listed as just over £60 on there which is a bit steep but then it depends on how often you'll be changing tyres as to whether it will be worth it. I'd be tempted to use the 'jump on a shovel' method.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBaldReverend wrote:

I'm guessing a bit now but I think this type of lever might be the one to go for


I use these (3 of them). They are very good.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

the abba bead breaker is probably the best one to go for imo.

It also makes it easier to fit the tyre, as you can clamp the bead permanently behind the rim, that way you're not chasing yourself round the tyre (shouldn't happen anyway, but makes it easier) or needing a lever to hold the end while you work your way round.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only proper tool I use is a set of tyre levers.

I tend to use cardboard to protect the rim, having chewed through some cheap rim protectors. A big vice does the job of breaking the bead, and some watered down washing up liquid for tyre soap. I don't bother with balancing - if I'm fitting a tyre that needs balancing, then the chances are that I can get a good deal on the tyre fitted from FWR in Kennington.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Robby I didn't bother with the balancing and can't say that I feel any more vibration than with the old tyres.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some 1mm thick ally sheet that I cut to make single-use rim protectors. I cut strips about 70x40mm and fold them over by hand.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you change your own tyres for the enjoyment (Why anyone would do that is beyond me! Laughing ), I can only assume it's done for saving money.

To spend out on a proper bead breaker etc, you must really go through some tyres!

I change my own tyres because I've been doing it since I was 15 (Work).
But if I didn't have access to a tyre machine (Which at some points I didn't depending on where I worked), I just paid a fitter to put my tyres on for me.

Only time I do it manually is on my track bikes when a track-side change is needed.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
Unless you change your own tyres for the enjoyment (Why anyone would do that is beyond me! Laughing ), I can only assume it's done for saving money.


You assume correct. It is quite a lot of money to be saved though, I have 6 tyres to be changed very soon and possibly two more later on.

What is everyone doing with their old tyres? Presumably you don't keep them?
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snod Blatter wrote:
binge wrote:
Unless you change your own tyres for the enjoyment (Why anyone would do that is beyond me! Laughing ), I can only assume it's done for saving money.


You assume correct. It is quite a lot of money to be saved though, I have 6 tyres to be changed very soon and possibly two more later on.

What is everyone doing with their old tyres? Presumably you don't keep them?


Dump them in a pile near speed cameras and let nature take its course. Shifty
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snod Blatter wrote:
What is everyone doing with their old tyres? Presumably you don't keep them?


Take them to the local tip along with any old oil that I need to get rid of and I've got a couple of batteries to chuck as well.
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snod Blatter wrote:
What is everyone doing with their old tyres? Presumably you don't keep them?


The tip will usually take 2 tyres at a time.
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