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 Posted: 22:33 - 23 Mar 2015 Post subject: Tyre Changing Tools |
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I'm looking at quite a few bald tyres sat in the garage and don't fancy paying a guy £20 a time to fit me some new ones. I am wondering if anyone has experience with the proper tools/rigs that seem to exist for home use, the abba and Sealey products seem the most common yet they both look a bit wimpy and rubbish, as well as keeping the job of tyre changing difficult.
I am aware this has been asked before but only about the abba version as far as I can tell, and it was almost five years ago so people may be wiser or there could be new products out there I haven't seen yet. Oh and I don't have an air line and don't really want to go over £150 so it can't be too professional! ____________________ 1994 CB250, 1984 CBX250RS-E, 1989 K100RS, 1995 TRX850, 2016 Z250SL |
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Have a look here
Like you I didn't have a local place that would stick them onto a loose wheel cheaply, the place I used to go to shut.
I got all the stuff I need from Gumtree for £55 which was quite lucky, including the Abba bead breaker which worked a treat. I already had a compressor but plenty of people seem to use a foot pump with success. |
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I use pieces of timber as a bead breaker. Just a lever and a short wedge placed against the bead, then something to lever it against.
Rim protectors are cheap, levers are cheap.
I made a balancer that bolts to axle stands for about £2 (angle iron and skateboard bearings), weights from eGay. Loads of people get away without balancing.
| I previously wrote: | I use a length of 4x4 timber as a lever, a slice of 2x4 cut as a wedge as a bead breaker and a car sill as a weight to the end of the timber down whilst pressing on it. I used shampoo as lube, put a bit on before you break the bead and whilst levering on the new tyre. Also use a few bits of 2x4 made into a triangle to keep the wheel from touching the concrete.
Tyre levers, 3 cheap 12 inch silverline levers, cost about £1.50 each. Trick seems to be to lever on a few inches at a time, shouldn't need a lot of force. When fitting, the first bead will go on the wheel without levers and when removing, the first bead should come off the wheel without levers, just need to lube and lever the second bead in each instance.
Once the tyre is on, seating the bead is easy to do with a foot pump unless you are particularly unfit. Get the tyre most of the way on, bounce it a bit to make it set it's position correctly and get pumping, you only seem to lose the first few pumps of air, after that it seals itself and builds pressure. My beads then popped on at about 40psi.
I made my own wheel balancers out of axle stands, scrap bits of steel, small eBay bearings and some bolts. Basically make a bearing holder to bolt to the top of axle stands then use the bike axle as the balancer axle - a DIY version of static motorcycle wheel balancers you can find on gayBay. I was sceptical, but it worked really quite well. |
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I would just add, get the equipment and go for it. I'd always assumed it was some sort of dark art as many people didn't seem to do their own but were happy to attempt all other kinds of motorbike servicing. Then I did a bit of reading and saw actually quite a few did and it turned out to be much easier than I had predicted.
I'm guessing a bit now but I think this type of lever might be the one to go for
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/images/library/product/huge/05/050914854.jpg
As the ones I used were a little bit thick but it's only a small hassle. |
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| binge wrote: | Failing that, find a cheaper tyre fitter. £20 a pop is pricey as fuck! If they were loose wheels, and simple change-overs without balancing, I'd expect to pay about a tenner for 2 wheels. |
The guy I use in Leicester is very good, his work is conscientious and he does everything up "just so" with perfect chain tension and wheel alignment, and doesn't destroy the brake pads forcing calipers back over discs and all that but he charges £13 to replace a tyre on a loose wheel (plus £2 to dispose of the old one, which I pay) and a slightly painful £33 per wheel for ride in/ride out service. If you buy the tyres from him ride in/out fitment is free but weirdly enough his prices are roughly online prices plus £33 per tyre.. Hmmmm I'm still traumatised by spending £240 on a pair of PR3s 2.5 years ago, oh lordy!
Reverend - Do you think the bead breaker was a good buy? Could you manage without it?
bikenut - By balance marks do you mean the red dot that goes on the opposite side of the wheel to the valve? It's the only one I know of.
Thank you everyone so far, I may need to arm myself with some levers and spinach.. ____________________ 1994 CB250, 1984 CBX250RS-E, 1989 K100RS, 1995 TRX850, 2016 Z250SL
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I bought all the gear from Ebay, bead breaker, balancer, levers, rim protectors, tyre soap etc.
The first tyre I tried took me a while as it was slightly oversized for the rim. All I would say is that I could have done with more than 2 tyre levers really and more than 2 rim protectors.
The balancing kit I bought was supposed to fit on to a paddock stand. It didn't fit on to any of mine, so I had to make a frame up our of wood to hold the bearing which the balancing rod sat on. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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I have some 1mm thick ally sheet that I cut to make single-use rim protectors. I cut strips about 70x40mm and fold them over by hand. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Unless you change your own tyres for the enjoyment (Why anyone would do that is beyond me! ), I can only assume it's done for saving money.
To spend out on a proper bead breaker etc, you must really go through some tyres!
I change my own tyres because I've been doing it since I was 15 (Work).
But if I didn't have access to a tyre machine (Which at some points I didn't depending on where I worked), I just paid a fitter to put my tyres on for me.
Only time I do it manually is on my track bikes when a track-side change is needed. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 4 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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