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stirlinggaz
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: MOT retests Reply with quote

hi,
just been asked this by a friend who has his MOT at 10am tomorrow.
we both think it will pass, but given the reputation of the tester for failing bikes for loose chains & the like, we are wondering how long we will have to rectify any issues.
he will be riding the 30mins back to mine where any work can be done.
is it same day? (like before close of business) or next day?
& whats the re-test fees, if any.

i know cars have something like 10days but no idea about bikes & cant find it anywhere on-line,

cheers,
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you have something like 10 days for the retest. Partial retest fee is up to the place you get it from, some are free, some are half, and some charge you full wack again (although this one is rare).
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure, I think it depends on the shop.
The places I use, both the bike and van MOT stations
give me 10 days and a free retest if I need to rectify anything.
This seems to be common deal.
The quibble area may be if a tester declares its too unsafe or dangerous to be ridden.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemo wrote:
I think you have something like 10 days for the retest. Partial retest fee is up to the place you get it from, some are free, some are half, and some charge you full wack again (although this one is rare).

hi,
afaik, the 10 day rule only applies to cars, not motorcycles.
& free re-test depends on what it actually failed on. some things are exempt from this 10 day rule.
im 99% sure on that,
cheers,
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just me but if an mot tester can be iffy with pass rates would you not rather find a bike friendly mot'r?
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

robertw95 wrote:
Just me but if an mot tester can be iffy with pass rates would you not rather find a bike friendly mot'r?


Yep. That'd be my thoughts too - if not a friendly one then at least ones who's fair! Are they trying to find things to fail you on so as to get money from any work that needs doing?

I don't think that they can charge full whack for a retest, up to half only. I'd get on the gov website and check if I was you,
if you insist on using them.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
Nemo wrote:
I think you have something like 10 days for the retest. Partial retest fee is up to the place you get it from, some are free, some are half, and some charge you full wack again (although this one is rare).

hi,
afaik, the 10 day rule only applies to cars, not motorcycles.
& free re-test depends on what it actually failed on. some things are exempt from this 10 day rule.
im 99% sure on that,
cheers,
GAZ


I'm 100% certain it applies to bikes too.

The system is, if you leave it at the test centre (ie, they do any work) and it's retested before the end of the next working day, only a partial test is required and there's no fee.

If you take it away to do the work and bring it back before the end of the next working day, again it's only a partial retest (except if it failed on wheels or tyres) and there's no fee.

If you take it away and bring it back, after the next working day but before the end of ten working days, it's a partial retest and the tester may choose to charge a fee.

The partial test fee can be whatever the tester chooses, there is no prescribed amount, up to the maximum allowable fee for that class, so beware the test centre that gives an upfront discount on the original test, but then charges the same again for a partial - they gotta get their money back somehow Wink
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: MOT retests Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
MOT retests. Wondering how long we will have to rectify any issues.


No idea, always take my vehicles to a place I know they will pass... Wink
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

From the MOT manual:-

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Re-examination following failure
If the vehicle stays at the test station for repair you must carry out a re- examination of all the failed items and any items affected by the repair.
If the vehicle leaves the test station having only failed on one or more of the items listed on the fees and appeals poster and is returned before the end of the next working day - carry out a partial examination.
In any other case a full examination must be carried out.
Note:- If during any re-examination it is clear that an additional defect is present which would mean the issue of a test certificate is not justified, a VT30 must be issued.


All the best

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PostPosted: 00:31 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its jim allen they were fine with me taking the bike away and doing repairs myself and gave me a free partial retest (actually think the guy just looked at it and passed it)

Cant help but thinking though, why does your mate let his chain go slack?
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerr wrote:


.....why does your mate let his chain go slack?


Why indeed. Ten minutes the night before checking the obvious (lights, pads, horn, chain (lubricate and tension), tyres, forks for weeping / buggered seals, wheel alignment (seems to be the new flavour of the month at a couple I go to!) can save a pointless trip...
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

For bike and car from what I've had it's been 10 working days.

The guy I take me car to if it's a simple fail that he can fix quick like a number plate bulb he will change it and not bother charging any extra.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
thanks guys, you've cleared up any confusion. (especially shaft & keith)
no, its not jim allan.
we only have 1 mot tester "local" & he can be a c*nt. always has been.
& yes, he did fail it on.... yes loose drive chain.
glad i came with him & adjusted it outside (now too tight imho) while the c*nt grumbled about being too busy, amatuer mechanics, death traps etc etc.
tbh, i think he would have charged us for something, like a new chain or similar, if he didnt see me giving him the evil eye, whilst holding a wee tool set & a lap top.
made ma day, lol but im sure the git will get me back.

cheers,
GAZ

edit : hold on hold on!!! loking at what Kickstart has posted, if it isnt returned by close of business NEXT day, a full test is done,
so no 10 days then?
or am i being thick? (though tbf, im busy stuffing a kfc down ma throat while trying not to get grease on my keys & watching judge rinder at the same time Very Happy )
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
hi,
thanks guys, you've cleared up any confusion. (especially shaft & keith)
no, its not jim allan.
we only have 1 mot tester "local" & he can be a c*nt. always has been.
& yes, he did fail it on.... yes loose drive chain.
glad i came with him & adjusted it outside (now too tight imho) while the c*nt grumbled about being too busy, amatuer mechanics, death traps etc etc.
tbh, i think he would have charged us for something, like a new chain or similar, if he didnt see me giving him the evil eye, whilst holding a wee tool set & a lap top.
made ma day, lol but im sure the git will get me back.

cheers,
GAZ

edit : hold on hold on!!! loking at what Kickstart has posted, if it isnt returned by close of business NEXT day, a full test is done,
so no 10 days then?
or am i being thick? (though tbf, im busy stuffing a kfc down ma throat while trying not to get grease on my keys & watching judge rinder at the same time Very Happy )


If you genuinely thing he's either on the fiddle or just too keen you could just report him?
Personally I'd just go elsewhere.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
hold on hold on!!! loking at what Kickstart has posted, if it isnt returned by close of business NEXT day, a full test is done,
so no 10 days then?
or am i being thick? (though tbf, im busy stuffing a kfc down ma throat while trying not to get grease on my keys & watching judge rinder at the same time Very Happy )


A full retest is only carried out if your vehicle fails on something that isn't specifically mentioned on the fees and appeals poster, which you can see here https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/205248/mot-test-fees-and-appeals-poster-vtpa.pdf

Oddly, the chain is one of those things that isn't mentioned.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:

Oddly, the chain is one of those things that isn't mentioned.


Suspect that is because the chain is only fairly recently an MOT fail item and they haven't got round to updating the posters (or just forgot about them).

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:47 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 WORKING days.

Which is 2 calendar weeks.


So say you test it on Wednesday morning, you've got until the 2nd Wednesday to get it re-tested.

Any later than that it has to be a full retest at full price.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where was it? not to name and shame, just curious.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
& yes, he did fail it on.... yes loose drive chain.
glad i came with him & adjusted it outside (now too tight imho)

No VT-17?

If he's your only choice, surely it's worth settling his hash.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 27 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NI MOT figures are......MOT retest is fixed @14 quid and valid for 21 days from the date of failure, full test is fixed @22 quid and a duplicate MOT disc is 10 quid.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 27 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the last 3 years I take my bikes to a local car garage that does MOT's and as they don't do any work on bikes they allow me 10 days to fix any fails and return for a free retest, over 10 days they would charge another fee but I'm not sure what as I have not needed this so far.
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 27 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerry B wrote:
For the last 3 years I take my bikes to a local car garage that does MOT's and as they don't do any work on bikes they allow me 10 days to fix any fails and return for a free retest, over 10 days they would charge another fee but I'm not sure what as I have not needed this so far.
Makes you wonder what the VOSA regs are as far as retests are concerned, there seems to be a few variables from tester to tester.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 27 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
Makes you wonder what the VOSA regs are as far as retests are concerned, there seems to be a few variables from tester to tester.


From the other posts there does seem to be quite a lot of leeway for testers to charge what they want and to set their own rules about how long a retest can be done for free or for a fee, either partial or full.

One of the earlier posts seemed to show the regs but it seems that these are not enforced.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 27 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just MOT'd my Thundercat a few weeks ago. Failed the first time on two points - throttle cable and rear shock. Took it back nearly 2 weeks later expecting to pay again, but got a free re-test. The tester said it was 10 WORKING days for a free re-test so even though it was 12 days on, the two weekends didn't count. He also said that it was the computer that decided not him, he said "I'll put it in the system and if it comes back free, it's free".
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PostPosted: 03:33 - 28 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
well it seems mot testers can do pretty much what they like then.
if you cant see whats on the poster, then he can say whatever.
1 day, next working day, 10 days or 10 working days, ffs they are worse than the gov dept i work in!

personally think the guy would prefer you to pay him or his mate (at another garage, but hes not a mot station) 40 or 50 quid for a "pre-mot"
basically go over everything ( which i have done already) then he finds something that he will "need" to do (probably not needed) for 1hr labour & parts.
so its over a ton to get it ready (even though im convinced its already ready) for mot.
money which he pockets, where the mot test he probably makes next to nothing on.
bloody cartel!
never have these problems with cars. if it fails. i get a polish mate to fix it. i take it back within a day or 2 & i get the mot cert within 20mins.

should be the same for bikes.
far too much confusion & too much power given to wee pr*cks who just want to milk "noobs" for as much cash as possible.

I have this to look forward to again next month, as 1 of my bikes is due end of april (iirc)
i really need to find a small, friendly mot capable bike garage within 10-15miles of where i live. & be organised enough to book the test a couple of weeks in advance.
i'll try alloa area or just go up to perth. easier for me to go north than west towards glasgow or east towards edinburgh.

falkirks always an option for me, but wasnt for my mate. he on L-plates so its 30mins+ to jim allan. if he needed to come back to mine to sort anything we would struggle to get back before end of day (5pm) which is what my mate was convinced the rules were.

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