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Nemkha
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Full licence question. Newbie Reply with quote

Hello and easy on the newbie please Smile
31 and decided to ride got my cbt in a week.
Done my homework read a lot and decided to go for an interest free CBF 125 offer brand new with warranty and road side assisstance. Will be getting my gear from RST and will look for an ARAI helmet unless somebody has better suggestions.

I will also be doing round 30 mi roundtrip to work hopefully when conditions allow so ill be using my bike for commuting mainly. Am an AE dr so the only side i seen from biking is the bad one and took a lot to breakthru to riding for me so am excited and cautious at the same time. My aim is not to speed Smile and i decided even when i pass my full test ill be going to touring bikes rather than sports.

Just to clarify, ill do my CBT, do the theory and am planning not to take the course for the mods as many have done. Once i finish theory ill go to Mod 1, questions is where will i get the 600cc bike from to pass? I gather they dont allow 125s for the Mods what options do i have?
Mind u am planning to get to the mods asap however wanna ride the 125 for 2 yrs at least to get a grip on biking.

Thank you ever so much and any input will be bery appreciated.
Nick
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

please tell me you haven't already bought the bike. buying a brand spanker 125 for a first bike is a silly idea for a number of reasons, which BCF will be only too happy to explain.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

shop around for a suitable trainin school @ the right price and quality of service and do direct access on a suitable bike provided by the trainin school. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
please tell me you haven't already bought the bike. buying a brand spanker 125 for a first bike is a silly idea for a number of reasons, which BCF will be only too happy to explain.


Well a decent cbf is going round 1500-1800 from what i have seen. Am a car enthusiast but know f all about bikes so wouldnt know bad from good ones. Also not a very DIY and would like a warranted bike with 2 yrs of free repairs.
Other option i considered is the Kymco Pulsar S at 1600£ and pretty good reviews (taiwanese not chinese).
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: Full licence question. Newbie Reply with quote

Nemkha wrote:

I will also be doing round 30 mi roundtrip to work hopefully when conditions allow so ill be using my bike for commuting mainly.


150 miles a week on a brand spanking new 125? It'll end up fucking mullahed.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: Full licence question. Newbie Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Nemkha wrote:

I will also be doing round 30 mi roundtrip to work hopefully when conditions allow so ill be using my bike for commuting mainly.


150 miles a week on a brand spanking new 125? It'll end up fucking mullahed.


True. Hence unlimited mileage warranty comes into play. And cheap (vs BMW) service comes handy
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: Full licence question. Newbie Reply with quote

Nemkha wrote:
Done my homework read a lot and decided to go for an interest free CBF 125 offer brand new with warranty and road side assistance.


Please, please tell me this doesn't mean you've signed a finance deal for a 125 Shocked

Road side assistance = insurance breakdown cover = AA recovery? (I hope it hasn't added much on to the overall package).

Nemkha wrote:
Kymco Pulsar S at 1600£ and pretty good reviews (taiwanese not chinese).


Not this conversation.. again.. chinese v the world.

less than a £1000 OTR for a lexmoto arrow/vixen (disregarding the build quality and small problems) I'd rather loose resale value on a cheap as chips 125 than a brand new CBF.

Summary a whole bunch of moneyz will be lost at resale, just be prepared.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: Full licence question. Newbie Reply with quote

Nemkha wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:

150 miles a week on a brand spanking new 125? It'll end up fucking mullahed.


True. Hence unlimited mileage warranty comes into play. And cheap (vs BMW) service comes handy


You don't really get it. It would be mechanically working but tired after 2 years. Why kill a new bike to do that. Yor would lose any value .
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: Full licence question. Newbie Reply with quote

Got your point on board but whats the alternative? Buying an already tired bike and spending most of my time at the service is also something i dont wanna do either. So dunno

And NO FINANCIAL ARRAGEMENTS YET. I havent bought anything yet
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did this very thing. Yes it is a very good deal, it does include everything. BUT you will need the warranty, as the bikes rust in months (many examples around unfortunately). As ever, to keep the warranty (which did I mention you WILL need), you've pretty much got to keep Honda servicing it.

I estimate I spent £300-400 in my year of ownership on servicing. My mileage was exactly the same as yours.

Buy a cheap bike, get the bug, do tests, sell bike for what you paid for it.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

And even a tourer will be likely much faster than most day to day cars by a fair old bit. Good luck with
your training. But at your age I'd either spend half of the money you would have spent on a minty fresh
new 125, and buy something you'll be happy to drop a couple of times spend the change on DAS.
Or most likely and like I did just go and get the licence first and then go bike shopping. If safety is a
concern in all honesty bigger bikes are more stable ergo safer. I rode silly 125 kids bikes when I was
a young silly kid. 17 year old me shouldn't have had access to big bikes. If I had I doubt I'd be here
now. but theoretically I could have had a full licence at 17 back in my day with a 2 part test, with no CBT
or theory even. Eventually I let my provisional expire then I
drifted away from riding and never
sat on a bike for over 25 odd years elapsed. Then I did my CBT on a 600cc bike and haven't looked back.
Didn't even bother owning a 125 the second time round, I just used a school bike. When I passed I bought
something similar to what I'd re learnt on and have had the time of my life on it. You'll respect a bigger
bike more too and be less likely to dick about on it I've found.
I'm sure that there are some that may disagree but that's my experience/opinion anyway.
Happy to reply to an A and E Doctor. Hope we never meet. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: Full licence question. Newbie Reply with quote

Nemkha wrote:
Got your point on board but whats the alternative? Buying an already tired bike and spending most of my time at the service is also something i dont wanna do either. So dunno

And NO FINANCIAL ARRAGEMENTS YET. I havent bought anything yet


So you already have a means of getting to and from work, correct?

Then best advice is this!

STEP 1 - do CBT. But a lid/gloves if you want to. Arai may not be the best option for you unless it is the best fitting lid. If it doesn't fit, it won't do its job when you need it the most.

STEP 2 - get theory out of the way.

STEP 3 - contact a local bike school about doing DAS.

STEP 4 - Sit Mod 1 and 2 on the bike school's bike after a few lessons.

STEP 5 - Buy your tourer bike that you actually want.

Considerably cheaper than forking out for a brand new (underpowered) 125, selling it and then buying a bigger bike.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=278136
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=281543
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everytime someone suggests that they are buying a new bike the forum goes crazy! hehe.

Someone needs to buy new bikes at some point or there be no cheap second hand ones for you miserable bastards. If you can afford it or payments make it affordable monthly budget then why not? Smile
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
And even a tourer will be likely much faster than most day to day cars by a fair old bit. Good luck with
your training. But at your age I'd either spend half of the money you would have spent on a minty fresh
new 125, and buy something you'll be happy to drop a couple of times spend the change on DAS.
Or most likely and like I did just go and get the licence first and then go bike shopping. If safety is a
concern in all honesty bigger bikes are more stable ergo safer. I rode silly 125 kids bikes when I was
a young silly kid. 17 year old me shouldn't have had access to big bikes. If I had I doubt I'd be here
now. but theoretically I could have had a full licence at 17 back in my day with a 2 part test, with no CBT
or theory even. Eventually I let my provisional expire then I
drifted away from riding and never
sat on a bike for over 25 odd years elapsed. Then I did my CBT on a 600cc bike and haven't looked back.
Didn't even bother owning a 125 the second time round, I just used a school bike. When I passed I bought
something similar to what I'd re learnt on and have had the time of my life on it. You'll respect a bigger
bike more too and be less likely to dick about on it I've found.
I'm sure that there are some that may disagree but that's my experience/opinion anyway.
Happy to reply to an A and E Doctor. Hope we never meet. Wink


This. 125s serve a purpose but as soon as you get that little A letter on your license they automatically become complete shit in an instant - I wouldn't want to swing my leg over a 125 again out of choice.

I'd honestly really really really recommend save your pennies for a full license; rent the school bike for practise - most bike schools will let you take their 125 away for a weekend, or there are some businesses around you can rent a bike from for a couple days and save your money for lessons and test fees.

Use the finance on a nice big bike, they're honestly so much easier and nicer to ride, you'll learn to respect it and enjoy it 100 times more. For the price of a new 125 will get you so much second hand good quality big bike.

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PostPosted: 16:09 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: Full licence question. Newbie Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:

Why kill a new bike to do that.


Nemkha wrote:
Am an AE dr
Nick


probably cos he has the coin to afford it.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks lads i understand your points. Am probably too excited now and not thinking forward as i should. Am gonna rethink it and let yous know. Cheers
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

struan80 wrote:
Everytime someone suggests that they are buying a new bike the forum goes crazy! hehe.

Someone needs to buy new bikes at some point or there be no cheap second hand ones for you miserable bastards. If you can afford it or payments make it affordable monthly budget then why not? Smile


Nothing wrong with buying a new bike!

Everything wrong with buying a with 125 if you are going to do full tests anyway!
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well most people have advised on the bike so I won't. What I will say is regards the helmet don't just go for Arai right away. Go to a shop and try different helmets on. See what fits best. Better to go for a well fitted £200 helmet than a £600 poorly fitted one. A mistake I have made myself.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy a second hand Japanese 125 (such as the Varadero), they seem to do quite high milage and are capable of 70+mph. Use for a few years, get some experience and sell it for what you paid for it, or thereabouts.

Motorcycle maintenance is relatively easy (apart from electrics imo) and there's loads of tutorials on Youtube for basic maintenance if you don't feel up to scratch mechanically.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The varaderos that i have seen are >1800£ and a good 4/5 yrs old at least.

We will see after my cbt
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ4Hunned wrote:
Motorcycle maintenance is relatively easy (apart from electrics imo) and there's loads of tutorials on Youtube for basic maintenance if you don't feel up to scratch mechanically.
More importantly, the workshop here always has someone willing to help, particularly for those that aren't afraid to get their own hands dirty.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your a doctor so not short of money I would guess. Why not just do direct access.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 03 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

monkeybiker wrote:
Your a doctor so not short of money I would guess. Why not just do direct access.


Not all about the money. I wanna take it slow and take my time make sure i get it right.
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