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PostPosted: 20:30 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: CBR600RR vs other 600's Reply with quote

Just wondering what people have to say about the 2003-4 versions of this bike. Reliability, running costs etc.

I'm only 21 and haven't ridden for over a year but I'm confident I would respect this bike enough to own it.

I will at some points be strapping a bit of luggage to it. Just for weekend trips, nothing major.

Just wondering if out of all the common 600 super sports is this one of the better all rounders? As in not so track orientated? If not which one is?

Yes I know people will recommend 600f's and vfr800's and other much more sensible bikes, but fuck it, I'm young and want a supersport Wink
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd probably have a ZX6R of the era if I was after that sort of bike, or maybe a 675r if you can stretch the budget a tad.

All much of a muchness on the road though, go for whichever one tickles you ballsack the most.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

2003-2004 600RR is very track focussed. Very revvy motor. Underseat exhaust can make bungeeing stuff a pain.

CBR600F is a far better luggage taking machine.

ZX636R, 2002 model is less focussed than the 600RR. Possibly GSXR600 K4/K5 as well. 2003/2004 R6 is also a very revvy blighter, but no underseat exhaust meaning any luggage will fit with ease.

You could always just throw your stuff in a rucksack for your trip away?
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
I'd probably have a ZX6R of the era if I was after that sort of bike, or maybe a 675r if you can stretch the budget a tad.

All much of a muchness on the road though, go for whichever one tickles you ballsack the most.


675 tickles my ballsack immensely, however it scares me that it's not Japanese and I'm about as useful with a spanner as a pair of nuns tits.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

WetAndCold wrote:
c_dug wrote:
I'd probably have a ZX6R of the era if I was after that sort of bike, or maybe a 675r if you can stretch the budget a tad.

All much of a muchness on the road though, go for whichever one tickles you ballsack the most.


675 tickles my ballsack immensely, however it scares me that it's not Japanese and I'm about as useful with a spanner as a pair of nuns tits.


'Tits on a nun' ?
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: CBR600RR vs other 600's Reply with quote

While in reality, they're all pretty similar...
CBR, as with so many Hondas, is very capable but lacks the 'fun' that Kawsakis and Yamahas often manage - it's a bit too easy to ride.
B1H has a bit more bite.

For a newer rider, the Honda may well be a good choice.
675 engine is pretty bland too.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: CBR600RR vs other 600's Reply with quote

G wrote:

B1H has a bit more bite.
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If by "bite" you mean "Tries you tank slap you into a ditch at 90mph" then yes it has lots of that. Mine tried to do that to me more than once. Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: CBR600RR vs other 600's Reply with quote

G wrote:
While in reality, they're all pretty similar...
CBR, as with so many Hondas, is very capable but lacks the 'fun' that Kawsakis and Yamahas often manage - it's a bit too easy to ride.
B1H has a bit more bite.

For a newer rider, the Honda may well be a good choice.
675 engine is pretty bland too.


So you reckon the honda or triumph would be a bit more tame for an inexperienced rider like me? That might swing it.. I am a tad nervous about riding one of these since I haven't ridden in so long you see!
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: CBR600RR vs other 600's Reply with quote

On any of these bikes it will depend on your attitude more than anything.

However, yes, as per 'Ham - the Kawasaki typically offers a more 'involving' ride.

I haven't really pushed a stock 675 on the road (my race 675 is VERY flighty without an aftermarket damper).

The engine is certainly pretty linear; I'd say the road bike's ride has a bit more spark than the Honda, but not as much as the Kawasaki.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My CBR600 RR, 2005 model. I quite like the 'predictable' nature of the IL4 engine from Honda, which I guess is what G is talking about with the 'boring' element. Mine has the radial brakes and USD forks.

Very aggressive riding position but comfy at speed. Quite wrist heavy. Corners very nicely and light to flick about. Petrol is about £14 a tank at the moment, gets 100 odd miles (highest I've got is about 118 at motorway cruising speeds for the most part).

I get through a set of tyres a year, 8000 miles. New brake pads all round needed every 6 months or so. Very reliable as long as treated right. A new battery sorted out my starting troubles, and apart from the usual consumables nothing too major, although now I'm hitting nearly 50k miles I've had to refresh the brakes all round and a new shock needed.

Luggage capacity isn't major but sorted me fine for a BCF BBQ 500-mile round trip to Wales. Great bikes Thumbs Up Wouldn't call it a sports tourer though, but certainly capable.

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PostPosted: 07:34 - 16 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll get shit range out of the tank, I get 140 miles out of the 07 version when I'm being sensible. If I gun it, I'm down to the last 2 bars in 90miles, so probably 100mile range.

In all honesty, if you want something to carry gear on, I'd get something bigger with more torque. You have to rev the guts out of this thing to make it go which scares the shit out of all other road users, and makes you feel like a legendary prick but you get used to it. With any kind of weight it'd be even worse at overtaking.

Although it's a mental fun bike for doing what it does best which is riding like a knob. Look at me, I'm a knob on a bright red bike! -- That sort of thing.
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 16 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got to admit when doovy flew past me on the redline last year on his RR the sound did give me a raging hard on. Sounded a little like a cross between an F1 car and a Eurofighter Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 16 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DoovyRR wrote:
which I guess is what G is talking about with the 'boring' element.

It's not just the linear power delivery (something like an early R6 feels a fair bit more 'powerbandy' - to be fair, most modern sports bikes seem to have removed this), but the handling as well.
As above, a stereotypical Kawsaki will be a bit sharper, with a bit more 'feedback' but tend to bite back if you do something silly.
While the stereotypical Honda feels very 'encouraging' and 'smooth', as if it's doing the work for you.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 16 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Got to admit when doovy flew past me on the redline last year on his RR the sound did give me a raging hard on. Sounded a little like a cross between an F1 car and a Eurofighter Laughing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGodewJk2DI

They sound nice, they go OK but they just rev and rev, I liked it but power delivery was quite bland.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 16 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a regular bloke like me I find "boring" bikes fun
I guess many on here are track racers and love their superbikes but I've rode a bandit,z750 and a triumph speed four and they are probably classed as boring but they go like crap off a shovel to me and are enough to scratch most peoples itch.
I've yet to ride any bike over 250cc that I didn't like.
Whatever you buy you will love it and be smiling as the revs climb.
Eventually you might move on but when people say certain bikes are boring I don't really get it.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 16 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you still find just the acceleration of bikes fun - all the better for you Smile. It pretty quickly grew mundane for me unfortunately.
I like track riding/racing, but prefer to avoid superbikes because they're less involving for that - supersports more fun for fast riding, but superbikes I find make good commuters due to said boredom.

Of course you can 'make your own fun' on any bike, but I find some bikes really encourage you to have more fun, while others you're forced to make your own.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 17 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess some bikes may be a tad boring but my speed four for instance, it sounds good handles well and I like the power delivery.
But some people will find them tame.
A new rider though I think would enjoy the bike and find it far from tame.
Sometimes track riders seem to put people off perfectly good bikes cos they are so used to riding missiles Smile
Yeah its not all about speed,although I've yet to ride a 600+ I'd class as slow.
I like bikes to have character.I think my triumph has and bandits to me look like real bikes and have a certain character and imo fast enough for a new rider.
I think old zx6rs have too.
I do like to feel I'm riding a proper bike and I suppose that does steer me away from the newer plastic futuristic looking bikes.
But I'm sure if I had one I'd get along fine with it.


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PostPosted: 12:46 - 17 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem with the new RR (I don't know about previous years) is that it has to be constantly in the top end to go anywhere and you have to lick the tank as well.

In order to see the speed dials you have to really tuck in if you're over 6 foot (I wonder if that'd work if stopped by the police Very Happy ), and it doesn't have much low-down torque.

Tbh, I almost wish I'd gotten another 600F, cracking bikes and much more comfy.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 17 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

WetAndCold wrote:

675 tickles my ballsack immensely, however it scares me that it's not Japanese and I'm about as useful with a spanner as a pair of nuns tits.


Ever since I got my Street been getting this a lot from some people, can't understand why for some models I guess there is a reputation (955s cranks aren't well regarded and the 855 has some horror stories, nothing first hand experienced though) but plenty of Japanese manufacturers have spawned some utter shite in their time too.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 17 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I think the 600f is a great bike.
The op is 21 and seems scared that it will be too tame and fancies a superports.
Honestly a 600f is more than enough for a new rider.I can see the appeal of the top end sports bikes but as a stepping stone the 600f would be a great choice and keep most people happy for a few years.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 17 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been riding nearly 9 years now and still not owned a bike that puts out more than 100bhp Laughing I sort of have a hankering for something ridiculous (K1200r keeps coming to mind) but in all honesty the times I wish for more power are limited and having ridden a few more powerful bikes I can't say that power has necessarily equated to fun.

I'm a pretty firm believer that you won't be truely happy if you don't go for what you really want though, hence not having tried to convince the OP to go for anything slower than the RR, might as well go for whatever you're hankering after.

I reckon as an all around bike that was immensely fun on the road my steelie cbr600f would take some beating. Fast enough to be fun, slow enough that you could rag it (top of third gear was still under 100mph iirc, good enough handling to have fun without being so good that it became boring.

Also comfortable, reasonably economical, good on tyres, good enough looking in my eyes.

Getting a bit long in the tooth now though I suppose!
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 17 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came to the conclusion that comfort was important to me.
Sports bikes just put too much strain on my ageing unfit body and although they are fun for 15 mile runs to Matlock I personally wouldn't want to use one for work or the coast.
I didn't want a toy I wanted a bike I would ride 5 or 6 days a week.
But young and full of it I would have wanted an R1 Smile
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 17 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wednesday Biker wrote:
I came to the conclusion that comfort was important to me.
Sports bikes just put too much strain on my ageing unfit body and although they are fun for 15 mile runs to Matlock I personally wouldn't want to use one for work or the coast.
I didn't want a toy I wanted a bike I would ride 5 or 6 days a week.
But young and full of it I would have wanted an R1 Smile


You could also look into the big leauge. ZZR1100-1400, GSXR 1300, ZX12R, CBR1100XX and other big bikes. These Hypertourers are 185mph couches. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 14:33 - 17 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get an F-sport. Absolutely brilliant bit of kit and mega fun, despite what people say about Honda's.

I can confirm that it can keep up with Doovy's RR in a straight line without issue. Been tested many times.

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PostPosted: 14:40 - 17 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do like the F sport. Yours is very clean, even in real life Shocked

I disliked the fact the 600RR I owned indicated 170 but you had no real "go go" in the revs, just steady rising revs... Sad
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