Helmet help

[Wants a Beard]

Hello. New biker, only been riding CBT since October. Little bit old for a CBT but only just got the bug.

I apologise in advance if this topic has been done before but I need the help of the experts.

I was looking up helmet legislation as I want a new helmet to go with my others. I understand about BSI and ECE etc. All the official government stuff I've seen requires this. No problem.

However, I wish to buy one of those retro-style half helmets with goggles. Still ECE approved of course. But I read on a helmet buyer's guide page that half helmets are not road legal in the UK? I'm sure I've seen lads on their big boys bike wearing them. So please guys, help! Is an ECE approved half helmet legal here?
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WaB was 'ere

[waffles]

Ones like this? Yes, they are legal in the UK. The blurb at the bottom of the pages states that it is ECE approved
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Past rides Yamaha XT125X, Triumph TT600, Honda XR250
Current rides Suzuki GSXR 600, Honda MSX125

[wr6133]

Open faces and jets can get ECE approval so yes are road legal here.

Proper "half" "shorty" or "German" helmets cannot get ECE approval so are not road legal.

Odds of getting in trouble are low though so wear what you like.

[pinkyfloyd]

The legalities of motorcycle helmets for road use in the UK are as follows.

BSI is still around, old helmets are still legal to use on the road with this kite mark although with a shelf life of only a few years I would not recommend using an old BSI helmet.

ECE22.05. The majority of motorcycle helmets for road use will carry a sticker, or a label in the strap that has this marking on it or a version of it. A circle with E (and a number) is pretty much the same thing.

SHARP is another system in use for the UK. It is a 1 - 5 star system, the higher the stars the better it has performed in the various test they do.

The ECE 22.05 helmets can be various styles, the 3 main style are the open face (retro) style, full face or flip up system helmet.

If you are looking into buying a new helmet make sure it fits correctly. That is the most important thing.
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[Rogerborg]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/1807/made

Marked as British Standard 6658:1985

Marked as ECE 22.05 (J in your case)

Or: "is of a type manufactured for use by persons on motor cycles which by virtue of its shape, material and construction could reasonably be expected to afford to the wearer a degree of protection from accidental injury similar to or greater than that provided by a helmet [as above]"

It's typically a £100 non-endorsable fine and the chances of you being convicted is minimal.

Wear what you want, just don't go chin surfing in a piss-pot lid.
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[talkToTheHat]

If you are talking about growing a beard, upen face and a flyscreen will cause it to fly up and get in your face.

If you're using that bike as an alternative to a fag hag posing as your girlfriend, I suggest you avoid the rob halford look. It won't keep you plausibly closited.
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[Val]

It is legal. Not sure how wise is though.
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[Wants a Beard]

Yeh guys, I have an open facer already I was referring to the half helmet German style tourers. I've found a few online ne claiming DOT and/or ECE approved.
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WaB was 'ere

[Rogerborg]

You wouldn't perchance by looking at the shiny helmets direct from China that claim to "meet & exceed DOT, ECE, AS/NZS1698 standards"?

Whether they do or don't (I expect they don't), for them to be legal in the UK then they have to be marked as ECE 22.05 (J).

If they're so marked, you won't be convicted. Your noggin, your choice.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[josh95]

I always cringe when i see people wearing open faced helmets, Im a new rider myself but I would rather keep my teeth then look "cool".

[Wants a Beard]

the one I'm looking at is direct from America.

As for my open facer, it's less about looking cool and more about how claustrophobic I feel in the full face I own. I wear it when it's wet and dark usually.
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WaB was 'ere

[Rogerborg]

OK, but you can find an open face that offers a lot more protection than a piss pot. Have you tried a selection? MX helmets are also a bit airier than fully closed. It's not race-rep or piss-pot with nothing in between.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[Wants a Beard]

I genuinely do not wish to be rude, but I have already said I have an open faced helmet a couple of times. It's a good one that I got on recommendation from a knowledgable chap like yourself. It's the helmet I use most, and intend to use most.

I have my reasons for wanting a "piss pot", and it will be by no means my regular helmet. I just want to know if there's any poi t spending the money or if it'll just get me into trouble.


Thanks for your help so far though
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WaB was 'ere

[Teflon-Mike]

[wr6133]

[Rogerborg]

[Wants a Beard]

Thanks for the heads up guys. Good feedback from lads in the know.
As I said, I wouldn't be wearing one often IF I got one. It's for a very specific purpose. I'll be sticking with my safer one the most often.


Cheers Guys!
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WaB was 'ere

[Wants a Beard]

Thanks for the heads up guys. Good feedback from lads in the know.
As I said, I wouldn't be wearing one often IF I got one. It's for a very specific purpose. I'll be sticking with my safer one the most often.


Cheers Guys!
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WaB was 'ere

[Jerry B]

I am old enough or read that as stupid enough when we were still protesting against being made to wear helmets and have been done for not wearing one.

I used to wear open face lids quite often even though I once had an off in a full face which scraped the chin piece which made me think that open face lids are for fools. However I have ridden in an open face many times since then though not for about 9 or 10 years. I am often tempted to get one again and might do so, still thinking about it as the appeal of being out in the wind is still there and as none of my bikes are modern speed machines it would not be too out of place and as mentioned above you know when you are going fast without the dislocation from reality that modern bikes give you. I currently have a nearly new AGV fullface which is great but some days it might be nice to just pop out in an open face.

Each to their own.
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