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PostPosted: 16:24 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: best handling and quickest naked with twin rear shocks? Reply with quote

I'm looking for a bike with:

Twin rear shocks
Steel frame
Single headlamp
Right way up forks
Ideally attractive analogue clocks


I know this negates a lot of bikes, but there must be something quicker and better handling than a Kawasaki ER-5?

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PostPosted: 16:28 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

XJR1300

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PostPosted: 16:37 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly the sort of thing I was after, but the prices look like other people are too!

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PostPosted: 17:08 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are still a few nice Zephyr 750s to be found out there and they are cheaper than the 1100. I had one and liked it. They are definitely nicer than an ER-5.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:17 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:
Exactly the sort of thing I was after, but the prices look like other people are too!


There is a slightly older XJR1200 that can be had cheaper.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys.

I was reading practical sports bike on the plane and there's a nice cafe racer in there built from an old ER-5 and I wondered what else was out there. Sadly the ubiquitous bandit/hornet etc don't work as they're single shock and the hornet has a funky frame design otherwise they'd make the ideal donor bike!

The one the guy has built looks great, but unless you're prepared to hunt down gpz parts, you're stuck at 48bhp which doesn't warrant the work on the bike sadly.

750 sounds good, will have a look!
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:46 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: best handling and quickest naked with twin rear shocks? Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:



I know this negates a lot of bikes, but there must be something quicker and better handling than a Kawasaki ER-5?

Cheers


Anything that isn't an ER-5 is faster and better handling.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing is what is your budget and what do you want the bike for, and or what do you want to do to it?

If it's a project then you won't really be buying a late XJR1300 or CB1300SF unless it's tatty, damaged or silly cheap.

If your looking at ER5's because they fit your bike style requirements, then what kind of spec of bike are you after? i.e capacity, power, air or liquid cooled, and how modern or old are you willing to go?

Air cooled big four's are getting out of reach for all the best looking ones, leaving only the less desirable or later ones left, which are still good bases for a project at the right price.

But air cooled twin shock nakeds are often better looking than liquid cooled one's, so if you don't mind pipes and rad's etc you might get an 80's-90's bike cheaper that would still be a nice bike.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulFzs wrote:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y1uqjeFzr4Y/Tib4j_cVSUI/AAAAAAAAAz0/-kmhu8Htc-w/s1600/cb125h.jpg


that doesn't have clocks, just a single speedo.

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PostPosted: 18:42 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the budget?
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:46 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triumph thruxton?

Rocket 3 is twinshock. Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6v1k44qv2dqls06/IMG-20150429-WA0001.jpg?DL=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1wqocgv24qw3wpj/IMG-20150429-WA0003.jpg?dl=0

This was the bike I saw and I love the look, but he started with a £370 ER-5 (which is good) but then fitted GPZ500 suspension, top end etc to get to 60bhp.

I just wondered what other suitable donor bikes might exist. Cafe racers were a British phenomenon, which rules out V-twins really. Anything old enough to genuinely be period is also a bit poor in the really world and anything truly modern has a single rear damper and the frames all wrong.

So I guess the question really is what's the best donor for the right looks, on a sensible budget and ideally a relatively decent bike to begin with. (On paper a hornet would fit the bill for power, useability, spares etc, just a shame they're a touch too modern.

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PostPosted: 20:59 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/9u8h68gu9rc9mx4/IMG-20150429-WA0001.jpg[/img]


[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/dt7a1hekdg3sky2/IMG-20150429-WA0003.jpg?raw=0[/img]

This was the bike I saw and I love the look, but he started with a £370 ER-5 (which is good) but then fitted GPZ500 suspension, top end etc to get to 60bhp.

I just wondered what other suitable donor bikes might exist. Cafe racers were a British phenomenon, which rules out V-twins really. Anything old enough to genuinely be period is also a bit poor in the really world and anything truly modern has a single rear damper and the frames all wrong.

So I guess the question really is what's the best donor for the right looks, on a sensible budget and ideally a relatively decent bike to begin with. (On paper a hornet would fit the bill for power, useability, spares etc, just a shame they're a touch too modern.

Cheers


Some of the most iconic British motorcycles were V-twins. Brough superior and Vincent Black shadow to name two.

They still make bonnevilles. They ride well. The thruxton is pretty much a factory cafe-racered bonneville.

Kawasaki made a bike called a W650 which is halfway there anyway.

If you wnt a modern bike that is a reasonable budget and converts well ito a modern take on a cafe-racer, you could do worse than a TRX850. You can even buy kits. It's not twinshock though.

An SRX600 looks well. Again, doesn't need much work. Has the handling if not the top speed. Big, air cooled singles would be what many of the best old-style cafe racers were based on anyway (manx nortons, rocket goldstars etc).

The japs even made an off-the-shelf cafe racer back in the 80's. A GB500. Which makes honda the ultimate hipsters. They were building Japanese cafe racers before it was cool.
https://www.oldrice.com/images/GB500%20Motorcyclist%2089.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's interesting, I thought they were a very Italian thing. My knowledge of old British bikes is limited but like you say, air cooled singles is what I'd seen most of.

The thuxton looks a nice bike!

Trx850 would make a reasonable donor, but I'm not sure I like the frame. The SRX600 looks nicer but is back to 45hp again which seems a bit lacklustre?

The GB500 looks cool, but how well does it ride? I just worry that starting with something which didn't work very well to start with is creating a rod for my own back, whereas cosmetic changes to an otherwise 'good' bike is a different story!

Cheers!
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:
45hp again which seems a bit lacklustre?


I wouldn't have thought so. I get my fun from 59 horses at 210kg wet though, so 45 horses in an unfaired, light stripped back package would probably be entertaining.

If your daily ride is a Busa though I would imagine 45 BHP could be dull.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:24 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:30 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha XS250/400/650 etc?
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tidy late zephyr 750.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would want to try a Guzzi V7
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 30 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore all of the above and buy an RD400.
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