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PostPosted: 14:06 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Biker dies after crashing into sign Reply with quote
The woman who pulled out in front of him without looking "wishes it had never happened" but there's not even a hint that any action is being taken against her.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/82mph-biker-died-smashing-sign/story-26420293-detail/story.html (don't forget your ad blocker)
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nothing prejudiced about the headline then.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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colliding with a speed camera warning signpost.


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PostPosted: 14:45 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Poor woman, I hope she doesn't blame herself.

Oh it's OK... she doesn't.

He didn't come out of nowhere and if she'd have looked, she'd have seen.

Need more signs to warn of the signs.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Driver Sara Webb – who had moved out to overtake – described the incident as a 'terrible accident'.


It's not a fucking accident when it was caused by her negligence
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
"was riding at speeds of up to 82mph when he fell off his motorbike"


"found a defective rear brake which 'may be considered a significant factor' in the accident."

Seems a few things contributed to this. Yes the car driver should have seen him before pulling out, but if he had been within the 60mph speed limit ?

Poor bugger. I feel for his family.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Be interesting to know how they examined and proved his bike had a defective rear brake, unless it was missing a disc or something daft like that.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Serious question: how do they know he was doing 82MPH? I mean did the woman just guess this or was he flashed by a camera or did his speedo freeze on impact?
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Serious question: how do they know he was doing 82MPH? I mean did the woman just guess this or was he flashed by a camera or did his speedo freeze on impact?


I think they do some sums from skid marks, (probably called a forensic examination of the scene in todays parlance).
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
DRZ4Hunned wrote:
Be interesting to know how they examined and proved his bike had a defective rear brake, unless it was missing a disc or something daft like that.


No/worn pads, no brake fluid etc.

But I also do wonder how exactly they know it was defective. Thinking

I mean every single motorcycle, I've ever bought or had a chance to work on, had stuck pot/s in the rear caliper and the pads looked like they were put there in the 80's. The vast majority of us just don't use the rear brake. So in the end, we all ride motorcycles with defective rear brakes. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tyred wrote:
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I think they do some sums from skid marks, (probably called a forensic examination of the scene in todays parlance).


Interesting. It's a pretty precise figure to come up with so I assume they'd need pretty solid facts to substantiate it.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheArchitect wrote:

Interesting. It's a pretty precise figure to come up with so I assume they'd need pretty solid facts to substantiate it.


Well they do say up to so they give themselves some leeway. Whatever the exact speed it seems he was going pretty fast. Add in an inattentive driver......
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Poor woman, I hope she doesn't blame herself.

Oh it's OK... she doesn't.


When i did work at the coroner's court, the people who had killed others on the road by no fault of their own were always more remorseful than those who had fucked up and killed people.


TheArchitect wrote:
Serious question: how do they know he was doing 82MPH? I mean did the woman just guess this or was he flashed by a camera or did his speedo freeze on impact?


Again from time at at the coroners court, they have all kinds of calculations and formulas to do with damage to each vehicle, marks on the road, how far each vehicle was moved, even damage to the body.

They'll usually say they were travelling at "between XX and YY mph", being the minimum and maximum speeds which would result in...well...the result of the crash, but with the media being the media, of course he was travelling at 82 mph through a kitten sanctuary, probably on one wheel
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheArchitect wrote:
Serious question: how do they know he was doing 82MPH? I mean did the woman just guess this or was he flashed by a camera or did his speedo freeze on impact?


From the speed camera?...........................perhaps not.

A sorry tale this and I thought these days that they are no longer known as RTA's as they are not accidents because someone is at fault. Perhaps someone should have woken the coroner up and told them this.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Coroners arent allowed to place blame...they can give people a polite bollocking for fucking up, but nothing more.
It'll be the crown prosecution service who has decided not to prosecute...coroner would have had the same outcome whether she'd been prosecuted or not.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
wr6133 wrote:
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Driver Sara Webb – who had moved out to overtake – described the incident as a 'terrible accident'.


It's not a fucking accident when it was caused by her negligence


+1 this road is behind my house, I drive past it daily and the man was from my town.

I couldn't believe that she wasn't prosecuted, it is a clear stretch of road and who doesn't speed up to overtake? She didn't check her mirrors and it bought this man's life to a horrifying end.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheArchitect wrote:
Serious question: how do they know he was doing 82MPH? I mean did the woman just guess this or was he flashed by a camera or did his speedo freeze on impact?


GPS app on his phone?
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jerry B wrote:
TheArchitect wrote:
Serious question: how do they know he was doing 82MPH? I mean did the woman just guess this or was he flashed by a camera or did his speedo freeze on impact?


From the speed camera?...........................perhaps not.

A sorry tale this and I thought these days that they are no longer known as RTA's as they are not accidents because someone is at fault. Perhaps someone should have woken the coroner up and told them this.


The speed camera is about 600m down the road from this accident on the exit of a wide corner... at which lad who was a few years below me at school sadly died at on a frosty day a few months back. It wouldn't have surprised me in the slightest if he freaked out at the sight of the 'safety' camera and crashed.

People are moaning saying the road is too dangerous and the speed limit needs to be dropped, but these two instances are simply accidents or poor driving, the road is fine to drive down and is wide enough you probably fit three trucks comfortably aside down it!
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 01 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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they are not accidents because someone is at fault. Perhaps someone should have woken the coroner up and told them this.


Inspector Bonehead, nor even Jerry B off the internet, can't rewrite the English language.

If it's not deliberate, it's an accident. Check the dictionary.
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Passing lines of cars is fine, but you gotta look out for yourself.
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Nothing prejudiced about the headline then.


No more than the responses in this thread. It's natural for us to be more sympathetic towards the guy who died since we all ride bikes but let's face it if you're overtaking a line of cars AND approaching a speed camera zone you want to get it done as fast as possible so you can get your speed down again.
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Pete. wrote:
you want to get it done as fast as possible so you can get your speed down again.


I like that.
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Witness Simon Frith told the inquest: "As he went past, I said: 'You're in trouble, son'. My worry was he was going to come off at the top corner of the road.



The signs were all there.....







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PostPosted: 11:10 - 02 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Triton Thrasher wrote:
Jerry B wrote:
they are not accidents because someone is at fault. Perhaps someone should have woken the coroner up and told them this.


Inspector Bonehead, nor even Jerry B off the internet, can't rewrite the English language.

If it's not deliberate, it's an accident. Check the dictionary.


1/. Double negative
2/. Redefine, not rewrite
3/. Pretty clearly referring to the Hot Fuzz scene where they say that the police 'don't refer to them as accidents because it implies no ones to blame'
4/. Carefully selecting your quote to change it from 'I thought the police said this' to 'I think this'

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Jerry B wrote:

A sorry tale this and I thought these days that they are no longer known as RTA's as they are not accidents because someone is at fault. Perhaps someone should have woken the coroner up and told them this.


It's entirely possible for someone to cause an accident without it being a deliberate act. An RTC doesn't need to be an accident either - it might well be a deliberate act.
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