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PostPosted: 11:47 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Castrol 10w40 oil Reply with quote

I've noticed Aldi have some 10w40 engine oil on their special buy for a fiver:

https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/specialbuys/sun-10-may/product-detail/ps/p/engine-oil-10w-40/

Could do with some for my 4 stroke 125, would this be ok to use? Are there any differences between car 10w40 and bike 10w40?
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

10w40 is 10w40 if you believe in the mighty EU.

Mineral oils leave sediments in the engine.
Synthetic oils are the way to go, no sediments of it in the engine.
Car oils have friction modifiers, can/will make your clutch slip. When you run a dry clutch, it does not matter of course.
Motorcycle oils have no friction modifiers.

All the race spec nonsense on the bottle is just pure marketing, it is still a 10w40 no matter who or how at what race has won the GP. Thumbs Up

Castrol oils might be the most counterfeited oils on the market. Thumbs Up

I run Motul 5100 Ester, I don't know why or what the Ester does there, but I use it for 5 years now and every single engine I filled up with it works.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for that, I can see it's part synthetic which many motorcycle oils are marketed as, or fully synthetic (probably not necessary on a 4 stroke 125 thumper). But since it's got a wet clutch it's a no-go?
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheap for a litre, but litre bottles are a huge rip-off to begin with.

I buy Rock Oil Guardian 10w40 in 4l bottles for £17. If you're really not fussy then supermarket stuff is even cheaper (as above watch out for modifiers)

Add a few oil filters and that's a years worth of changes on a 125cc workhorse.

I did pick up the mini compressor from Aldi today. The quality is decent, it works well and has the screw-type valve fitting rather than those lever ones which break immediately. Well worth £10. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Almost certainly fine. Loads of people have used Castrol GTX with zero problems with the clutch (but GTX Magnatec regularly does cause problems). I routinely use car oils in bikes with no clutch problems (bike specific oil is a relatively new idea, and virtually no manufacturer bothered to specify bike specific oil until about 15 years ago).

Advantage of the synthetic oils is mainly that they last longer before they degrade. But on most bikes (and certainly a small air cooled engine) you are likely to be changing the oil to get rid of the contamination long before the oil has actually degraded.

That said, £5 for a litre of basic oil is not cheap.

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:10 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will work but its not particularly cheap and wont last that long; 125's already have a pathetically low service interval of 1k miles due to being air cooled and having shite filtration - centrifugal/coarse mesh filters instead of proper paper ones. The oil runs hotter, gets cooked - turns black quickly.

Its better to use a decent quality fully synthetic oil that has just done 8k miles in a CBR6 and has some colour left. Thats what I put in my 125, and as I have lots, it gets changed often.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
It will work but its not particularly cheap and wont last that long; 125's already have a pathetically low service interval of 1k miles due to being air cooled and having shite filtration - centrifugal/coarse mesh filters instead of proper paper ones. The oil runs hotter, gets cooked - turns black quickly.


So 10w50 or 20w50 it is. I also had an air cooled motorcycle, and 20w50 was way better than 10w40, the 10w40 got burned a lot. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, the engine is designed for and expects 10w40. Changing the thickness will not increase temperature stability, probably makes it worse. Also does not reduce oil consumption with dodgy rings (Ive tried).

Fully synthetic does not cook, that is its main advantage along with extended service intervals. It should be used with turbos, air cooled and high revving bike engines. Almost everything else will be happy with mineral, anything that says otherwise is marketing bollocks.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Re: Castrol 10w40 oil Reply with quote

DRZ4Hunned wrote:
I've noticed Aldi have some 10w40 engine oil on their special buy for a fiver:

https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/specialbuys/sun-10-may/product-detail/ps/p/engine-oil-10w-40/

Could do with some for my 4 stroke 125, would this be ok to use? Are there any differences between car 10w40 and bike 10w40?


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No, the engine is designed for and expects 10w40. Changing the thickness will not increase temperature stability, probably makes it worse. Also does not reduce oil consumption with dodgy rings (Ive tried).

Fully synthetic does not cook, that is its main advantage along with extended service intervals. It should be used with turbos, air cooled and high revving bike engines. Almost everything else will be happy with mineral, anything that says otherwise is marketing bollocks.


Agree to disagree here there are big differences, motorcycle 4T oil has special additives:

https://www.lubrizol.com/MCEO/Hardware/Why-Not-PCEO.html

Are seriously suggesting that you will risk your engine for £3 pounds saving? Brick Wall

Just get good ester synt oil ok:

https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-785-silkolene-comp-4-10w-40-xp-synthetic-ester-based-4-stroke-engine-oil-for-high-performance-motorcycles.aspx
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give this one a miss and get some fully synthetic then, always thought 4 stroke 125's were more robust but clearly not. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Re: Castrol 10w40 oil Reply with quote

Val wrote:
DRZ4Hunned wrote:
I've noticed Aldi have some 10w40 engine oil on their special buy for a fiver:

https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/specialbuys/sun-10-may/product-detail/ps/p/engine-oil-10w-40/

Could do with some for my 4 stroke 125, would this be ok to use? Are there any differences between car 10w40 and bike 10w40?


kramdra wrote:
No, the engine is designed for and expects 10w40. Changing the thickness will not increase temperature stability, probably makes it worse. Also does not reduce oil consumption with dodgy rings (Ive tried).

Fully synthetic does not cook, that is its main advantage along with extended service intervals. It should be used with turbos, air cooled and high revving bike engines. Almost everything else will be happy with mineral, anything that says otherwise is marketing bollocks.


Agree to disagree here there are big differences, motorcycle 4T oil has special additives:

https://www.lubrizol.com/MCEO/Hardware/Why-Not-PCEO.html

Are seriously suggesting that you will risk your engine for £3 pounds saving? Brick Wall

Just get good ester synt oil ok:

https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-785-silkolene-comp-4-10w-40-xp-synthetic-ester-based-4-stroke-engine-oil-for-high-performance-motorcycles.aspx

I'm super sceptical about articles promoting a particular type of product written by a manufacturer of such a product. Motorcycles are not the only vehicles that utilize the same oil in the engine with the gearbox, think of the original Mini. In my view, put a picture of a motorcycle on the front of an oil container and it immediately doubles the price. Just avoid the oils that contain friction modifiers.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The manual for my bike specifies API SE or SF oil, 10/40 or 20/50.

I buy this:

https://www.diy.com/departments/carlube-daytona-20w50-type-engine-oil-45l/259321_BQ.prd

and change the oil by the interval in the manual.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 10 May 2015    Post subject: Re: Castrol 10w40 oil Reply with quote

LongJohn22 wrote:
I'm super sceptical about articles promoting a particular type of product written by a manufacturer of such a product. Motorcycles are not the only vehicles that utilize the same oil in the engine with the gearbox, think of the original Mini. In my view, put a picture of a motorcycle on the front of an oil container and it immediately doubles the price. Just avoid the oils that contain friction modifiers.


Good advice. How, though, can you tell which oils have friction modifiers in them? Clue: specifications don't tell you. 10W-40 oils are not aimed at fuel efficiency so are unlikely to be friction-modified.

The only way to be totally certain is to get an oil you know is ok with clutches, gearboxes and engines... like a bike-specific oil.

That said, for a 4T 125 commuter... the GTX would probably be fine.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 11 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The discount places such as Wilco do synthetic, semi synthetic and good old mineral. Their own brand products tend to be fairly basic and, (Paddy Ashdown moment narrowly avoided), I would be most surprised if they had any friction modifiers in them.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 11 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Years of using it with nothing blowing up, sticking together that wasn't supposed to stick, slipping that wasn't supposed to slip or wearing out tells me castrol GTX is fine in motorcycle engines.

I have a 70k mile GPZ500 engine which did the last 62k miles on GTX. It's had a rebore and two head gaskets but the cams are is superb condition and the cams are what would get it if the oil was sub-standard.
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