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| josh95 wrote: | Yeah they just have a database of A2 compliant bikes that they check |
Who is/are "they", and on what information are you making this statement?
The correct answer is that there's no correct answer and every tool of the state or the insurance cartel will apply their own interpretation when stitching you up.
Plain common sense would suggest that it has to be the manufacturer's claimed figure, not a tested figure. If the latter was acceptable, you could trivially restrict an H2 to 70kW with a throttle stop (just clamp something on the throttle cable), dyno, then move the clamp go down to 35kW, dyno, and that's you 'legal'.
DVSA have their own list of A2 test bikes:
https://www.dft.gov.uk/motorcycle-test-vehicle-list/
That's not an exhaustive list of bikes that you can ride on an A2 though as it only covers 395cc+, and it's not even strictly accurate either. Some years of some models don't quite meet their criteria.
You can try looking here:
https://a2bikes.co.uk/
But it's suggestive, not definitive, and plain wrong in some places. Most notably that damn 1996-2000 GSX-R600. The 69kW Wikipedia figure that keeps getting quoted for it is a tested rear wheel figure, not the 'net engine power' that matters. There's a spacker on Wikipedia who keeps deliberately hiding that detail, and a2bikes have rejected my comment about it as well for reasons best known to themselves.
tl;dr version is get a Bandit 600/650 or SV650 or something else that's clearly under 70kW if you want to be absolutely sure. Once you start trying to get clever with SRADs, Hornets and Fazers, you're at a very, very small risk of being caught out by a theoretically clued up copper or insurer.
Sorry that's not the clear answer you wanted.
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| Posted: 14:08 - 10 May 2015 Post subject: Re: Question regarding A2 licence and bikes |
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| james_c_123 wrote: | So I'm gonna be doing my A2 licence shortly and I was wondering. Do the DVLA/Insurers/Whom it may concern rate bikes that are A2 compliant from the original spec or if you take a dyno of the bike now as standard would they then allow you to restrict it? (hope this makes sense) thanks in advance!
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Here are the LEGAL rules:
Category A2
This is a motorcycle without a side car that:
is at least 395cc
has a power output between 20 kW and 35 kW (26bhp and 46.6 bhp)
There's no upper engine size limit, but:
the power to weight ratio must not exceed 0.2kW/kg means cannot restrict some powerful sport bike
it must not be derived from a motorcycle of more than double its power THIS RULE MEANS YOU CANNOT GET bike with more than 93.2bhp and restrict it
DVSA will accept evidence from manufacturers or official importers that a specific model of motorcycle meets these rules. DVSA will publish this information where it applies to a number of machines of a specific type.
And list of A2 bikes that MAY BE restricted (see my note below):
https://www.dft.gov.uk/motorcycle-test-vehicle-list/
There are 2 routes to ride A2 bike:
1. Get one the has less power as manufactured and comply with A2
2. Get bike that is more powerful BUT also comply with A2 restriction pre-requisites above
Note the DVLA A2 list is for GUIDANCE only! Means if they got it wrong legally it is up that your bike comply!!! For instance, the Triumph Street Triple is listed as A2-legal once restricted to 47kW, but the fact that bike makes 105bhp as standard should, theoretically, make it ineligible. If you want to be 100% legal better ignore the Government list and find machines that have the specs to fit the A2 class.
Read more: https://www.visordown.com/learners/the-5-fastest-a2-motorcycles/23194.html#ixzz3Zjz00ROt
To answer your question Do the DVLA/Insurers/Whom it may concern rate bikes that are A2 compliant?:
DVLA has nothing to do with restrictions and are not concerned as far you riding one. Insurers and cops will be concerned and your proof for restriction will be:
1. Get one the has less power as manufactured and comply with A2 - the manufacturer specifications document. Say Suzuki DR-Z400 has 39bhp
2. Get bike that is more powerful BUT also comply with A2 restriction pre-requisites above - the document for the restriction that has been provided by DVSA certified garage.
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MCN. 
Here they make a point of saying "it does have an electric start" about a bike that's famously kick-start only.
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/kawasaki/klr250/1984/
Did they ride it? Have they even seen one? I doubt it.
Right, that 92hp / 69kW figure comes from here:
https://www.mcnews.com/mcn/articles/2010JanIndex.pdf
It's clearly labelled 'rear wheel HP'.
Wishing won't make it otherwise, and neither will citing Wikipedia, because that's the source for their article on it as well.
If you want A2 and plastic, it'll need to be a fully faired SV650, GSF650A, GS500F, ER6F, 400 IL4 or similar. Not the Gixxer. Forget it.
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