ZZR1100 v Busa v Blackbird

[TCFA]

Which would you have?

Which have you had?

[Edit - the title got cut off - fixed now]
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Then: Kawasaki ZZR250 > Suzuki Across 250 > Suzuki SV650 > Honda CB750
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[Wonko The Sane]

Got the ZZR600, not sure if i'd have another as it wouldn't be the same

would like the 1100
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[TCFA]

Always liked the ZZR600 - never had one but had a ZZR250. I'd still fancy one but there doesn't seem much point moving from a CBR600 to a ZZR600

Just wondering what views are on the bigger capacity bikes. Especially comfort vs handling. ZZR looks more comfy than the other two, I suspect the Blackbird probably handles the best, and the Busa would have the jump on power and wind protection (but maybe tougher on the wrists??)
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Then: Kawasaki ZZR250 > Suzuki Across 250 > Suzuki SV650 > Honda CB750
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[Alex A]

I'd have a ZX-12R over any of those.

[temeluchus]

They all have more power than one can shake a stick at.

Go sit on a few and see which one fits you best,
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[pinkyfloyd]

ZZR 1400

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[DrSnoosnoo]

If I had the option of ONLY those 3 bikes ...

ZZR.

Not ridden them, but they are something to behold. The orange/purple 1100 looks brilliant and by all accounts they're missiles. The 1200, from what I've heard/read went tamer then the 1400 happened, would have 1400 if I had lots of moneys.
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[RhynoCZ]

[TCFA]

Cheers, good info. I guess in terms of comfort I just need to have a go. I'd heard or read that the busa handling is not as good but then it's got excellent wind protection which increases its touring credentials. The zzr looks a bit plusher.

I know the 250 ain't the same but what I meant was I loved the bike (first bike) and liked the body styling which is partly why I always fancied the 600. The cbr was a good deal though and probably more reliable.
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[covent.gardens]

I'd take the Hayabusa.

I think it's sexy. I nearly got one instead of the GSXR 1000 because it "was faster". But I couldn't really justify the extra cost, and at least I had some sense when I managed to convince myself that the 1000 was fast enough I still think it's one of the sexiest bikes going with performance to back it up. It always looks better in person than it does in pics.

[Busa1340R]

Depends.......

What is your budget?

Are you a fair weather rider?

Do you want as clean as possible, or a fixer upper?

If you commute or ride all year round, I would go for the Blackbird

If you are a summer only rider, then either of the others.....I may be biased but the Busa is probably considered a bit more modern, but the looks aren't to everybody's taste. Spares are plentiful for both, and they are both reasonably easy to work on with similar pros and cons.
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[TCFA]

I agree that the busa looks ace. I'm sort of speculating at the moment as I've always pondered over these three (amongst countless others!) but I'll try to get the most out of the cbr this year before i do anything rash. But realistically if I were to go for it I'd like to stay in the 2-3k bracket (which may be a limiting factor!). In terms of riding I don't commute I'm more of a pleasure rider but I try to get as many miles down as I can and I'm not weather shy
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[TCFA]

How do you find the busa on the wrists and lower back? That's a big issue for me
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Then: Kawasaki ZZR250 > Suzuki Across 250 > Suzuki SV650 > Honda CB750
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[Busa1340R]

That can be a bit of an issue. I am 6'3" tall so less of an issue for me. Bar riser kits are available. The ZZR or CBR may be a better option if you are short of arm or short of body. The wind pressure on your shoulders keeps the weight off your wrists at speed though.......if you can keep the speed up
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[RhynoCZ]

[Matt B]

Out of those 3 it would be a Busa without question.

[stevo as b4]

The ZZR1100 if you get a good clean one in nice colour's (not old mans Rover/Nissan colour's) then yeah I think they are a great looking sports tourer!

I've only ever had a little go on an Injected Blackbird, and it was very nice, very smooth and silky, so for a std bike that you want to put miles onto, and not have as a project then the Bird would be the best IMO and like the Busa mk1 it's a cult bike now, but for slightly different reasons.

The Busa was batshit fast 191mph, and looks like what it's named after too. Will always be in demand for that reason, but then today I bet 1/2 of all Busa's belong to the Straightliner's crowd, drag racers and top speed hero's. The other 1/2 are probably suffering from late 90's Suzuki furry build and corrosion and being broken for there heart to go into kit car's with silly power to weight ratio's!

The Bird is cult because it's long out of production, and it stopped being made while demand was high and still is! The supposed VFR1200 replacement just didn't do it and so they are wanted by many, prices stay strong for the age, and there's lot of high mileage but clean looked after examples left.

I love big bore Kwak's, I like the rough bag of spanners low rpm sound they have, the airbox howl and the general anti socialness of them. Id like the ZZR for a project, but then anything big and 4cylinder from the brand would interest me.

If your budget is strong though and you want a newer bike, id buy a BMW K1300S over all the above! The looks are better than anything Japanese and current, and the limited edition paintjob, with a full Akrapovic titanium system and power commander would be a brilliant machine in it's class!

[TCFA]

Ooh yep would love a k1300s! If I was going to spend lots of thousands though I'd be tempted to just spaff on a shiny new bike (I'm liking the z1000sx and the s1000xr at the moment). More thinking lower budget long distance comfy fun fast machine.

I have no idea why I left the zzr1200 out. How does it fare vs the 1100?
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[RhynoCZ]

[Supermoto_Fan]

[stevo as b4]

The ZZR1200 has more engine +13bhp than the 1100 had. But it was IMO done on a budget, the fairing looks cheap and the finish not as good either. Add the less than attractive looks of a bike that Kawasaki must of tried to develop it's comfy sports tourer abilities on a budget, and it's an unexeceptional machine. The best use of the ZZR1200 is as an engine donor for other better looking bikes, or to put more top end into a ZRX.

The ZX12R I think was another misunderstood idea by Kawasaki. Sure the looks are better than the ZZR12 and it's far more conservatively styled than the Suzuki, but definitely not better in many ways I would say. I do like the interesting monocoque frame design tho. (the people that never liked the Haybusa's looks don't always understand the reason for it was never to be a beauty queen, but to take the production bike world speed record almost as it's sole aim!).

It's too sporty in ergonomics to be a Blackbird rival, and it's also too focused as well. Yet too big physically and heavy and not small or nimble enough to be able to hang with GSXR1000's or R1's etc.

The other thing going against it is the engine. about 3bhp more claimed than the GSX1300R, but a less strong delivery and it needs most of the revs to show up it's strong power output. Many people that have ridden both say the Suzuki is much more real world fast and feels more grunty everywhere.

When your designing a machine to seriously topple a bike like the Hayabusa, you need more of everything not a peakier less driveable bike by comparison.

Not as many ZX12's have been sold or enthused over as Busa's, and they are I reckon set to always be a cheaper and more compromised option with less of a following around them.

[Monkeypony]

My previous bike was a zzr1200. There was nothing wrong with it, it was reliable, fast and comfy. We covered a lot of miles together.

However, the Hayabusa is in a different league.
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[RhynoCZ]

Found it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28J4LtZHQl0
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[Matt B]

[RhynoCZ]

The R1 should be the best of them, it's light and it's got some degree of race pedigree in it. The other 3 are ''Hypertourers'', not made to be quick.

The R1 should be around 175.0 kg dry, the hypertourers are above 250 kg. 75 kg difference is a lot. I can see the difference between my fat ZXR and my mate's featherlight 919 Fireblade. The moment you have to use the brakes is when you feel the extra weight the most.
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